I’ve had a frustrating relationship with Passaggio Cravatte. Gianni, who runs it, is a young guy, very keen, very inventive and with some good people making his ties in Naples. It is a sign of his ambition that he has started making entirely one-piece ties – the original seven folds, that require a piece of silk around 2m x 1.5m. Most seven-folds do not use just one piece, and indeed are three-folds through the centre of the tie (eg Marinella).
The tie pictured here is the seven-fold he made for me. The silk is nice – some of the vintage fabrics he works with are not as appealing – but unfortunately not suited to this construction. Original seven-folds are unlined, which means the silk has to make up for that lack of structure with its own thickness. This woven silk is too light, meaning the tie twists when worn. It has also been rather overpressed – as you can see from the image below.
In my experience, printed silks are more suited to a seven-fold, and heavier silks in any regard. Gianni has made me unlined ties before in such printed silks that have worked well.
Which is the frustrating thing. I have had some great things from Passaggio and some not so great. One tie he made was lovely, except for the fact that the keeper was so far up the front blade that it interfered with the knot. The making on the tie pictured here was also a little off, with the join down the back of the tie wonky in a few places.
I know how hard it is to make a new product, and work with new craftsmen. Here’s hoping Gianni can achieve greater consistency in time.
Dear Simon
Interesting article though i can see you are somewhat frustrated, and understandably so.
On another subject altogether, can i pose a question that is troubling me and that is to do with trouser pockets.
I have my trousers made with slanting pockets and one thing i cannot get my head around is the area of fabric that is within the pocket. Not the white lining bit but the cloth that matches the trousers. The area where it joins the bottom part of the pocket always seems to be excessive thereby creating a loose fold and breaking the line of the entire side of the trouser (if you require a pic for clarification then please let me know and i can send one on to you).
I have spoken to my tailor who ensures me there is little that can be done however, the italians, they say, have a system whereby they sew the pocket on to the front inside of the trouser and this ‘lifts’ the fold and removes it. I hope i am explaining this well since it is difficult to do so.
My question to you is why is this happening and can it be designed out and if so how? Nuisances like this should not occur with bespoke surely.
Look forward to hearing how you get round this problem
Regards
Bradley
Hi Bradley, I’ve never had that problem to be honest. I certainly hadn’t noticed it previously, and I checked just now on my trousers and can’t see such a problem. Perhaps it is just an issue with the individual tailor?
Simon
I thought you were pleased with the result of the collaboration you did with him? How would you compare his ties with those made by Drakes?
I was, largely. The ties made for me were good and I heard good things from others. But then there has been inconsistency since.
Drake’s is very different. Innovative in design and materials, yes, but without the same restless experimentation. It is a large, professional manufacturer, with necessarily tight quality control. It makes consistently good ties, and only changes to new designs – such as untipped over the past few years – slowly but surely.
I had a frustrating experience with Passaggio Cravatte too. I paid for 5 “old seven-folds” but they sended me, SIX MONTHS LATER, three pieces ties. All the ties are different and have different long and measures. I don´t recomend this company.
I’v also had bad experience with this company(I got a silk vintage tie today), I would not order here if I read this article earlier, Lack of craftmanship and ownership.
Any newer experiences with PC, Simon? I was very near to commissioning a vintage 7fold grenadine. But I’m hesitant now after reading this post and seeing further commentary.
No, I’m afraid not, though I did hear from one disgruntled customer in Australia recently
Simon,
I have been researching vintage tie makers but have become concerned with Passaggio Cravatte after reading some online forums. Gianni claims all the fabrics are old vintage prints while I’ve read on other forums they are inkjet reprints made 5-10 years ago in England…….any thoughts or comments on these fabrics?
Thanks!
Hey Larry,
I can’t speak to the silks being used, as it’s been several years, but I would certainly advise caution given what other people have told me, my issues, and what I’ve read around as well. I’d suggest trying another MTO maker – Shibumi, for example, is superb.
I purchased a Passaggio 7 fold tie from Yeossal recently, I find that the folding at the bottom of the large blade wants to come away, as if there needs to be some stitching nearer the bottom to keep it all together.
I was unaware of the controversy surrounding Passaggio until I randomly Googled the company. I was ready to purchase another 3 ties (circa $1000 where I live, incl shipping. So NOT cheap by any means). Now I feel very cautious and am a lot more critical on the construction of my tie than I had been previously.
This is my first foray into ties at this price point, should I continue to err on the side of caution and find an alternative? I do like the silk (though it may not be vintage) and I also like that you can select the width of the blade.
It has been 9 years (10 months and 10 days) since this post was made originally, does Passagio remain a controversial figure in 2023 or has their quality and respect within the community risen since then?
Cheers
DK
To be honest Dustin I don’t know, as I haven’t had much contact with them, but I wouldn’t pay that again for a tie if you have those queries. I’d look elsewhere.
Shibumi are very good and they sometimes have different widths and lengths
A fraud reaches out to a grifter. The grifter knows nothing about the topic and can’t distinguish high quality from fake and is willing to endorse anyone who will pay him. When reality hits the grifter excuses are made up.
It is the sartorial grifters equivalent to the wine grifters “Sour grapes”-documentary from 2016.