The surprising influence of the Duffer of St George

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When I was growing up, the ‘Duffer’ of St George meant hoodies. You saw them on people like Jamie Oliver and David Beckham, and ripped off in every street market. It seemed to be the definition of an empty hype brand.

But that was the tail end of the Duffer story - the slow decline that saw founders gradually leave and the company sold and then sold again. In the early years it was incredibly innovative, both in terms of the brands it worked with and the styles it started. 

From a classic menswear point of view, it brought brands like John Smedley, Lavenham and Mackintosh to prominence. It made Tricker’s cool, and Brady bags. They even had their own tailoring shop on Savile Row. 

On the workwear side Duffer was the first to import Red Wing and Woolrich. It popularised Carhartt and Evisu. Vintage trainers weren’t a thing until they started buying up old Nike and Adidas.

Arguably they also came up with the now-ubiquitous look of puffas and trainers. Back in the late 80s no one wore puffa jackets - they were sold in places like ski shops, much like Mackintosh was seen as riding gear. Duffer made all these into items of fashion, of style. 

I’d learnt a little of this over the years, but a chance encounter brought me into the heart of it. 

Waiting for my train to Gatwick last month, on the way to Pitti, there was only one other person on the platform. He was wearing a sheepskin coat and white jeans - a rare occurrence at 6am in East Dulwich, and I suspected he might be on his way to Florence too. 

When I got to the airport, I ran into Billy and Nick from the brand Horatio, and this sheepskin-clad gentleman was with them. Turned out he was Eddie Prendergast, one of the founders of Duffer and later of the shop Present (below). He was also Billy’s Dad (both Billy and Nick worked in Present when it was open) and he lived round the corner. 

A lot of stories were swapped on the plane, a few more outside The Fiddler’s Elbow in Florence, and back in East Dulwich, Eddie and I met up for a drink to go through the whole history of Duffer from start to finish.

Eddie is a stand-up guy, and he does have a lot of stories. Back when Duffer started in the mid-eighties, they were selling vintage from a stall in Camden Market. Jeremy Hackett and Red or Dead started doing it around the same time. 

A lot of Duffer’s stock back then came from Army surplus stores. “There was this one called Chequers near the Ford factory in Dagenham,” Eddie says. “Ford didn’t supply clothing to their employees, so everyone had to go next door to buy their overalls and chore jackets. 

“We went the first time and saw this line of big booths, each filled up with a different size of Levi’s. When the agent came to fill them up, he just dumped the new stock on top of the old, so the old stuff was buried at the bottom - and everyone wanted the new ones anyway.” Eddie and the team bought the bottom of every stack, hundreds of pairs, going right back to the 1950s.

The team travelled to the US too, first of all looking for vintage and later for new stock. “We bought these Schott puffa jackets and nylon coach jackets on Canal Street, and all the guys were laughing at us - stupid limeys! - because no one wanted to wear it.

“But we bought them for five dollars and sold them for fifty back in the UK. No one here had seen these styles before - this was before the internet. They knew the 50s look, baseball jackets and Converse, but this and [Adidas] shell toes were completely new.”

The same thing happened in a shop in Boston, where they discovered hundreds of Nike waffle trainers languishing in the basement. At one point Duffer even approached Nike to remake vintage styles, because they were so popular. Nike said they weren’t interested, they were about innovation, and so the future. How times have changed.

One thing I find interesting about this story is the way Duffer could make things cool - because they were cool, and because there were great menswear shops around the country. 

The coolness came from cultural touchstones - they were lauded by The Face magazine and were closely connected to the music scene, running their own club nights. And there was a network of stores to sell it. 

“There was no internet, no online shopping, so every local menswear store controlled what guys bought, what they wore to the clubs,” Billy says. “And they wanted Duffer, because that was what was cool in London - it gave them real control.”

It wasn’t just regional stores either. Eventually Duffer were in Selfridge’s and Harrod’s, had one then two shops in Covent Garden, and were sold internationally. 

From a style point of view, the most significant thing is probably the way Duffer mixed genres - in much the same way as Ivy style had done. The Duffer guys loved traditional English clothing but also American sportswear, and they pioneered both New Era caps and selvedge denim. 

“Back then Tricker’s were for pig breeders, Smedley was underwear and Brady bags were for fishermen - it was what you kept your maggots in,” says Eddie. “We mixed it all together. At one point the look for us was a covert coat with jeans and Red Wings. Or even leather trousers.

“Some Japanese guys were doing this, and they were always the quickest to catch on,” he says. “But no one else was in the US, the UK, certainly Europe. We were disruptors.”

The closest equivalent in recent years has probably been Drake’s or Aimé Leon Dore. Not just in the mixing of genres but the playfulness with which it was all done.

That look of a covert coat with jeans and leather shoes was something Joseph Pollard of August Special brought up in our recent interview. Joseph started at Duffer, and he’s only one of a host of influential people that did. 

Brett Roddis, senior designer at North Face for many years, was a contemporary of Pollard’s and moved to the US at the same time. Fraser Moss, founder of YMC, was another, while Charlie Young of Palace was at both Duffer and Present. Duffer was also influential for the founder of Supreme, James Jebbia, who imported it into the US. Oh, and Orlando Bloom worked there.

Throughout its history, Duffer took several sharp turns. “When everyone started doing the urban look, we closed down for a few months and opened up again with a completely new one,” says Eddie. “We hated everyone wearing our stuff - we were snobs basically, always were.” 

But at various stages there were disagreements on direction and founding members left. Clifford Bowen left in 1989 and tried to sue the others for future earnings. A majority stake was sold to German Thomas Hiedecker in 1994 and the following year Barrie Sharpe left. 

This was when Duffer became mainstream: “Jamie Oliver was wearing it, David Beckham, Mrs Beckham, even little Brooklyn Beckham,” says Eddie. A few years later they licensed the name to Debenhams (not a very high-end store, for those outside the UK). In 2008 the company went into administration and was bought by JD Sports. 

Eddie set up Present at that point, and the only other founder left, Marco Cairns, still runs the Japanese arm, owned by conglomerate Itochu (below). 

The weird thing today is that searches for Duffer of St George mostly bring up images from these recent years, and only the occasional shot from the past. It's the problem with being pre-internet.

There was a revival of interest in Duffer in 2014, when a short film was made about their history, but articles from that time are mostly what survive. There's little else around. (Below is a shot of Eddie from a film on The Face website about Adidas Superstars.) 

It seems extraordinary that so many English brands we know were brought into the light by Duffer, and so many American brands were imported for the first time. Memories are short, and it’s easy to think these brands have always been here, always been relevant. It’s also a reminder that without good buyers and consumers, traditional makers could easily slip into obscurity again. 

OK, one more story. So at one point, the Duffer guys wanted to sell Hawaiian shirts. No one else seemed to, or not well. They sent an intern to the American embassy in London, because it had a phone book for every state in the US. 

“They were told to go through the phone book, and write down every company that had ‘shirt’ in the title,” says Billy. “Then the guys faxed each one and asked for a sample. Later on they ended up going to Hawaii, and relaunching a couple of old brands. 

“But in the days before the internet, if you wanted to source an unusual manufacturer, you had to think outside the box.”

One of the other things the Duffer guys introduced was the Yogi style of moccasin boot (above). They became popular in the late nineties and are again now, but Duffer did them in the early nineties, as evidenced by these boots in the Victoria & Albert Museum - one of four Duffer pieces the museum holds - from 1993.

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Peter

What’s not clear to me is when and how fulsomely Duffer transitioned from being a sourcer and agglomerator of other brands’ products into a designer and maker in its own right? The emphasis of the article is on Duffer’s unusual taste level in combining other peoples’ work, but evidently they moved from that to making hoodies etc at some point? Presumably that was a crucial decision?

Peter

Understood. Such crucial information would have been best included in the article itself.

RKM

Hi,
I loved this piece, a bit L’Etiquette. Based in Scandinavia, I only knew about the clothing brand. But I also failed to pick up the difference between development of the shop and their own clothing brand. I have read other pieces about shops discussing their approach to making their own product, and would have liked a little bit about that in this piece, too!

JL

Simon, this is a wonderful article, thank you so much for sharing this story – I had no idea. I suspect if you’re looking to write one similar in a Euro sphere, Arnys may be a good place to start. Best, JL

Jon

A lovely piece of nostalgia Simon!
I remember the Covent Garden shop well in the 90’s – A truly intimidating space which was quite possibly the least inviting shop with staff who were beyond aloof. Strangely I was a sucker for punishment and kept going back and picked up some absolute gems from them, the best being a puffer jacket in full camouflage which I sadly no longer have. Bought my first pair of Trickers in there, a navy Covert coat, first Smedley knitwear too. Happy times.

Phil S

Boy does this bring back memories.
I remember a 60’s Italian cardigan I had from Duffer with suede pockets and braiding down either side ( realise I’m not selling it very well, trust me it was lovely ) Bought from Cruise in Glasgow in early 90s
The brand, as rightly pointed out, did have that niche coolness, then the Debenhams deal and well……
Cheers
Phil

Phil S

Blooming heck, that’s exactly it, I did wonder where it went… Not sure I’d wear it these days, Cheers Phil

Matthew V

Duffer in Covent Garden, off Neal Street felt like the coolest place in London at the time, mid to late 90s. Lots of recognisable faces in there (I remember All Saints walking out as we went in one day), cashmere by Fake, great jeans, sweatshirts and later shirts and if I remember correctly the first location for Squire (the influential brand by Carlo Brandelli before he headed off to revitalise Kilgour) was in the basement, with covert coats and shirts by Hilditch and Key, with bodies cut one size smaller than usually made with the collar…. but I digress.
The comment in the article about those shops being directly linked to what people wore in clubs is very accurate. Shopping on Saturday afternoon and then back up to London to a club at night to listen to the relatively new fangled house music. Pretty much my early to mid twenties! And people were so well dressed. Not that people ate no longer well dressed, I might add, just that perhaps we have been swimming against a tide of very informal dressing.
It was such a shame when Duffer became mainstream, and it sort of coincided with Covent Garden’s move away from more interesting clothes shops – Floral St had Jones, Neal St had Michiko Koshino etc. At least Paul Smith still sits proudly on Floral Street, and I feel the area has lifted a little again in recent years.
But back to Duffer, it was what I call a destination shop. Like Paul Smith, and Kilgour later on. It felt like an event to go in there.
Now we have other superb shops like Trunk, Anglo Italian, Drakes etc and yesterday I went to the new Rivet and Hide in Mayfair, and came out being as positive about menswear in London as I was all the way back in the early 90s. I still get that buzz of discovery when you find and try on something new, interesting or just lovely,

Matthew V

Reading today’s post brought back good memories of clothes shopping over the years.
To para phrase George Best (badly) “I’ve spent a fortune on clothes, cars and records. And squandered the rest”.

Jon

Yes the crossover between the music and dance scenes and the clothing felt much more prevalent back then. Tribal in a way but also placing real value on quality and products built to last.

Matthew V

Definitely tribal, as you walked the streets of Soho on a Friday for Saturday nights you would be identified by the clothes you were wearing the early 90s – you had acid jazz (which was a link to Duffer and their suede patch cardigan and Barrie Sharpe who was a major part of that scene), still some ravers and Madchester indie fans in baggy clothes plus Stone Island etc., and the the progressive house fans sometimes in leather jeans, plus Armand Basi t shirts and high end designers like Commes des Garçons, Paul Smith, etc. All bought from shops with often overly cool staff (e.g. Jones in Floral Street as I mentioned above).
Good times and memories.
These connections may seem less prevalent now, but I have been to ALFOS nights and also Convenanza in Carcassonne (some readers may get those references) and I have been interested to people watch and noted a lot of well dressed people. Andy Weatherall, founder of both ALFOS and Convenanza, was a regular in Clutch Cafe, so that probably explains the number of people wearing expensive Japanese denim and sweatshirts(!). So there are still links between music and fashion, just perhaps more specific. And maybe people of a certain vintage like myself!

Jon

I am sure Tony Sylvester alluded to a lot of this in his interview with Simon a while back if I remember correctly. I definitely think it was more of a pre internet thing than it is now although I see what you are saying re the Weatherall influence. Fascinating topic all round

Stephen

Hi Simon, A really informative and interesting article. For me a nice bit of nostalgia as my older children were big fans in the 80s/90s. I also have a scarf somewhere.
Thanks

Adam Pace

I used to shop in Duffer back when I bought what other (older) guys wore in the Hacienda, Back to Basics or at the football.
I remember going all the way to London to get a Duffer t-shirt!
It ws one fo those shops that only had a few items in it – and a couple of achingly cool, ‘not so friendly’ staff.
I think it’s a bit crazy to think that the first time I bought a John Smedley top it was from Strand in Leeds – who were famous as stockists of Gaultier and Katherine Hamnett. Probably the coolest mednswear shop in Leeds at the time.
These indie retailers were incredibly influential – especially on me and my 18 years old mates spending our first wages on clothes and going out. Good times!

Ecnarf Nitram

I remember going to Strand in Leeds when I was at Uni in Sheffield and buying what was for me then a quite expensive Katherine Hamnett t-shirt. I wish I still had it, it would still fit!

Alexander

Simon – do you have any understanding of the brand name and why it was chosen? I had always understood duffer to be a pejorative term broadly meaning idiot, so hadn’t understood why someone would want a hoodie with this printed on it. I imagine there may be an interesting story behind it. This was an enjoyable article and further instalments would be welcome by me. Many thanks.

Joseph Pollard

Confirming this. We had the original book in the design studio.

James

For what it’s worth, the Latin motto in their badge translates as “I fight well” so maybe also duffer as in to duff up.

Mick

Eddie is a legend… I had my music management office in Neal Street Covent Garden in the 80’s and 90’s and all our stylists, bands and artists would hang at the Duffer store, beg, steel or borrow everything from the Duffer guys for photo shoots.
Around 2010 we relocated the office to Shoreditch and again, Present was the best store with an electric mixture of styles surrounded by other stores in the area that only focused on ‘authentic’ workwear where Eddie and his team would be sourcing and collaborating with the best.
I bought Nigel Cabourn, Trickers, Nanamica, and so many other cool brands during the Present period, sad to see it go.
Eddie was always in the store with a tale to tell, hope all is well my man.

John

First time to comment here …. But my favourite was Workers for Freedom …. My god the money I spent there !

Amon

Never ever heard about them. Thrilling stories tho! Classic „good ol‘ times“ stuff. Really interesting, so thanks for sharing.

On another note: will there be a SejiMcCarthy Follow-Up Article?

Amon

Lovely, looking forward to it!

Markus

This is fascinating. A shame there aren’t more images of the style they put forth. Would love an image of someone in the Covert coat, red wings, and denim “look”

Paul T

All that and no mention of their championing of Hermes and Gucci horsebit loafers. And hence Horatio.

I’d recommend Barrie Sharpe’s book ‘This Was Not Part of the Masterplan’ for all of Barrie’s insights into how the whole thing happened. And Sharpeye which is his own clothing line, the other Duffer off-shoot brand in London now, together with Horatio.

Let’s face it it was all over by the time Duffer moved to Covent Garden. D’Arblay Street in Soho was the one, together with neighbours Black Market Records it was ideal Saturday afternoon hang before the Wag Club later 🙂

I think a better parallel than Drakes is John Simons and his relentless search for new and unusual bands for his shop. Duffer just made it super cool by linking themselves directly into the London club and music culture and The Face loved all of that. That’s what made them so special.

Matthew V

Soho was great back then, so many record shops (Quaff and especially Tag were my regular stops) and some good clothes shops, plus The Wag… and later places like The Milk Bar.
I think Soho is back on good form, some interesting streets and shops, even if they aren’t independents is a good area for browsing. Mark Powell is still there (I had some things made by him a long time ago) and I love the relocated RRL shop on Newburgh Street.
And there is Soul Jazz and of course Phonica for essential record shop browsing. Plus some great restaurants.
Apologies to all for the late 1980s / 1990s reminiscing!

Will

Hi Matthew V – I don’t know who you are but I just want to say thanks for lighting up all these distant memories – Jones on South Floral St (what a shop that was!) and Paul Smith in its heyday, Michiko Koshino (I owned a blue t-shirt) and, in your post here, The Milk Bar, The Wag – I’ll also add The Brain to that list (just a few doors down.)
I remember going into the original Duffer as a teenager and it was the coolest shop I had ever walked into – actually even now, nothing has been as breathtaking as walking into that shop for the first time – it was the first place I had seen washed out, heavyweight hoodies, for example, or the rarest, coolest trainers you have ever seen (and that you could find nowhere else), and I had very little money but I was prepared to spend everything I had on their clothes.
Oh my, what memories – thanks so much!

Matthew V

Glad to be of service! I spent a lot of time jn Paul Smith, a good friend worked there for a while, on the shop floor and then in design. It was and still is such a lovely shop / shops.
Jones was very interesting – the first generation of Casely Hayford, Viabo etc, nothing really like it now as an independent, as menswear is less about ‘club’ wear and more about tailoring and denim etc. – with great shops too thankfully. Woodhouse also came back as a memory, a chain essentially but I remember buying some great stuff in their South Molton St store.
Returning to club and music culture, at events and nights I have been to over the past few years I have met people who were instrumental in creating that scene, including one half of Spooky, who were connected to The Brain. A lot of people of a certain age (like me!) have more grown up kids now so we can go out a bit more. It is like everyone is reconnecting and feels very like it was back in the early 90s.

chuck

Black New Yorkers were wearing puffers and sneakers since the 80’s. The drug dealers wore that style for function and then it became fashion and spread down the east coast and throughout the country.

David

I love stories about old brands and stores.
UK menswear has such a rich heritage with much of it undocumented. My own interest in style was very much provoked by music and cinema and growing up in the ‘60s & ‘70s we had some marvellous brands and stores.
Brands like ‘Lincroft’, ‘Harold Tillman’ and ‘Ben Sherman’ all have great stories to tell.
As do boutique like ‘The Village Gate’ and ‘Thackerys’ in London and others in the provinces made a huge impression. It was such a marvellous and innovative time. Of course it was all pre-internet and one wonders who would be around to tell the tale but yes, ‘Duffer of St George was once very cool.
There is much to be learnt from all of this both in terms of how and how not to do things.
To digress, I’ve just taken delivery of my PS MTO Suede overshirt and it’s an absolute killer. I’m going to wear it to death. Bravo Simon.

Steven

Oh God, this brought back memories. In the 1950s my dad worked at that Ford factory in Dagenham. He would be shocked to learn there was a connection with the Duffers stuff I was wearing in the 80s.

Craig

Great article about a brand from the past. Shame about the lack of existing materials from the pre-internet days. Liked the tidbit about them being first to import Red Wing – glad they set the trend so I can wear my Oro leather moc toes!

TC06754

Very cool piece Simon. Brings back memories – as an American kid growing up in north London in the early and mid 80s, I recall how much ‘cred’ I’d get among my friends from our neighborhood (most of whom were English) for my Levi’s and Nike’s purchased on annual summer trips back to the US. Funnily enough, my friends back in the US found my English football/soccer goods (Mitre cleats and my official Spurs kit in particular) to be the height of cool. For a few years, I ended up bringing goods back and forth for friends when we traveled between London and the US. For a time, there was even a small legion of kids running around suburban Connecticut proudly sporting Spurs kit and throwing out names like Glenn Hoddle and Ray Clemence (probably bc Spurs might have been the only English team they’d heard of lol). .Thanks for triggering such fond memories.

Francisco

Wow what a great article congratulations. It takes you back to Neal Street, Long Acre road and Convent Garden. The American Thrift shop (80s) opposite Convent Garden station, Belgo’s for mules and fries and of course Duffer’s. It’s all so different now but great memories of those times when Britannia ruled the radio waves around the world with Radiohead, PJ Harvey, Blur, Oasis etc.
Duffer’s clothes fitted the look of some of the bands of the era, and in the continent (Lisbon) where I come from there has always been an appreciation for some of the Anglo fashion and culture in general such as parkas and Doc Martin’s boots, and at the time Duffer’s too if you were in the loop.

John

Hi Simon
How many inches can an rtw pair of trousers be taken in at the waist before it looks weird

John

Hi Simon
The trousers im looking at are the drakes games trousers with a 31.7 inch waist

Btw im a very slim guy

Tony Boroni

I was the Manager of Psyche back then, we first happened on Duffer in about 89 when we used to take a van down to the big smoke and visit The Covent Garden Boot Co and load up (every week) with Wallabies. I think we were (along with Hip in Leeds) Duffers first wholesale customer by that time they had a little store on D’arbly St. They were designing their own pieces by then as well as retailing the brands and now key pieces you have mentioned. The stand out Duffer items for me were of course the Yardie, the numbered polo t-shirt (not a polo), their fully fashioned collar crest pocket logo polo’s, they did some beautiful fitted OCBD’s with a longer rounded collar, the Bene Pugno range and finally the Duffer Track (winged heel logo) collection. Great days, great times and great gear.

Saj

Great – i still have a number of their pieces in ski wear and a super cool leather jacket

Philip Gilbert

I remember “Duffer” from 1982, when I bought a navy blue Smedley merino wool turtleneck for, I think, £35: I wore it to death.
I remember not longer after buying similar from Mugler, three times the price and nowhere near as good
The Duffer worked because they understood how classic clothes with a twist were what made a difference

Benjamin London

Funny, despite growing up in north London in the 80s, I’ve never heard of them.

Kane

What a surprise to read about Duffer here. Having shopped with them since the early 90s and stocked them in a store I ran they really managed to catch a zeitgeist along with stores like Jones in Floral street. I will say the staff were notoriously ‘aloof’ and that’s being kind. Marco was always fairly approachable, Eddie, well, he is Eddie as I’m sure you’ve learnt, an unreliable but fantastic storyteller. His Present store with Steve Davies was also excellently curated, and no surprise, was staffed with a new generation of aloofness. That’s actually a store I miss a lot.

Andrew J

I don’t doubt there were a fair few snooty staff members at Duffer (there are at many higher end shops), but my interactions at the D’Arblay St branch were uniformly pleasant, especially with Mac, who is in the top photo with his eyes blacked out. We used to discuss music; he loved thrash and hardcore, and it looks like he’s wearing a Metallica t-shirt in the pic. Equally, the staff in Present were helpful and attentive. But I have to say I never was served by the owners at either Duffer or Present. Anyway, thanks for a good read, Simon. What’s Eddie up to now, by the way?

Bryan

I was definitely more a fan of their curated collection vs. the “Duffer” brand and along with the likes of American Classics definitely shaped my tastes to this very day.
As well as the founders they also had the likes of Craig Ford, etc working in their stores who went on to influence many others like some sort of pyramid scheme!

Nick

What a fantastic article! Duffer was great and so was Present. I was just a bit too young to catch Duffer before it moved to Shorts Gardens but I used to enter there with a fair amount of reverence (and trepidation as I couldn’t really afford most of it). However, it was so influential and definitely a physical gateway into becoming more interested in ‘clobber’.

Dan

In the early 2000s I worked at a store called Sam Walker in Shorts Gardens, I witnessed first hand how popular they were during that time period. I recall Ryan Giggs often popped in.

Colin

Hi all, I have a gorgeous camel top coat, original made in Italy. Hand sewn finish Cashmere and wool. I’ve had offers to sell but can’t do it. Thanks for your time.

kenneth

Name : Kenneth Mackenzie
Job: Store and wholesale director press liaison…anything else that needed doing
90-95
As Eddie used to call me their first proper employee
Formative experience and years post Polytechnic and before I started my own brand 6876.
Not sure we all appreciated the times we lived in and what a different place London was then.
DSG was/is a mindset

kenneth

Thank you, not a nostalgist but as time passes we realise the importance of telling the stories

Dean

Lovely piece. Bought a couple of t-shirts from the D’Arblay St shop when I was 15 or 16 back in 1990, easily the coolest things I owned back then. Duffer belong with Burro, Boy’s Own records, The Face and No Alla Violenza t-shirts as part of a great period in time. My friend Simon Spiteri is another Duffer graduate who went on to great things, running menswear for Liberty and opening Anthem in Shoreditch.

Matt

Like so many, Duffer was my go-to in the 90s. Heading to Covent Garden did indeed feel like the centre of the universe. Several things stick in the memory: a navy canvas cagoule, Nike Air Rifts, Oxford button-downs… I miss it, and Jones on Floral Street, and Present, and Anthem too (that was across the road from Present in Shoreditch, had the same vibe).

Jamiemcp

I had a duffer hoody and a pair of combat trousers back in the 90s, and also a very cool short leave shirt with a Chinese dragon on the back. Which I got because I saw Robbie Williams wearing it on Top of the Pops.

All pretty much got ruined at various raves!!!!

Oliver

Prendergast Senior! An absolute legend! A wonderful person and an inspiration!

jackson

would love to hear more about duffer

Nick Ainsworth

Back in the early 80’s the Duffer owners used to frequent clubs like the Wag club in POW and other suits with proper shoes while the majority were in jeans ..hoodies still belonged to American college ath departments then. Having left the UK for Japan/ Asia in 1986, I am not sure what happened thereafter