Loden: The cloth, the coat, the history

By Bernhard Roetzel.
I was pretty convinced that Permanent Style readers wouldn’t need an explanation of the term ‘Loden’. Still, I wondered whether a very English retailer like Cordings felt the need to define the word, so I searched it their website.
I found 27 products made of Loden there, including the most famous garment made in the fabric, the Hubertus coat (above). The ‘style description’ describes the fabric as "a tightly woven wool which is then felted to give it a sturdy yet supple handle, naturally warm and water resistant”.
It is correct that Loden is a woven material, traditionally of woollen yarn. It is not felted though, it is fulled. The difference between felting and fulling, felt and Loden is important. Felt is created by fulling wool fibres in hot water. Fulling woollen fabric that has already been woven results in Loden.
Fulling basically means soaking woollen cloth in hot water and soap, before someone pounds and wrings the cloth with his hands or stamps it with his feet. The result is that the surface of the fabric becomes denser, the pattern of the weave disappears, and both wind and water are kept outside.
(Below: old and then modern fulling processes)
It is unknown when and where fulling was invented and first used to finish fabrics. By the Middle Ages it was already well known in northern and middle Europe. Soon after the process started to be mechanised with the introduction of water-powered fulling-mills. There the fabrics were pounded with wooden hammers to create the desired result.
In the Alps fulling mills have been around approximately since the 15th century. Peasants usually spun the fibres of their sheep at home, the fabrics were woven on site by travelling weavers, and the peasants then carried their cloth to a local fulling mill, where the Loden was created.
In the middle of the 19th century Loden started to be produced on a bigger scale due to its growing popularity. In the same way Queen Victoria made tartans and tweeds popular in England, Austrian royalty started a fashion for country wear made of Loden in their empire, and then in neighbouring Germany.
The original Loden fabric was made of wool from the sheep living in the mountain regions. Their hair was fairly coarse, which meant a similarly coarse type of Loden. During the first half of the 20th century weavers started adding merino, cashmere or Angora to create softer, lighter or luxurious variations. More recently a small percentage of synthetic fibre has often been added, to make the fabric more water repellent and to lower the cost.
Green Loden is still widely worn for the huntsman and forester in Germany and Austria (below), even though modern hunting clothes made of man-made fibres are more popular. For everyday hunting, cheaper Loden fabrics are usually used. Loden in general has the advantage for the huntsman of being noiseless.
Loden comes in many colours nowadays. Originally grey, green and brown were the most common. The most famous grey is the Schladminger type (second image below), which is a mix of different shades of grey and black. Internationally green remains the colour most people think of, largely because of the popularity of the green Hubertus coat.
The original Loden is woven in Austria and Germany (as the real tweed comes from Scotland or Ireland, even though ‘tweeds' are also woven in Spain and Italy). All of the weavers are pretty small, most of them are old, and many are still family owned.
Loden has become a niche product so these weavers usually sell their fabrics to makers and tailors all around the world. The best known are:
I mentioned earlier that the Hubertus coat is sold in Cordings. This says something about the standing of the coat in England. Despite having continental origins, it is accepted as a classic of the English gentleman’s wardrobe.
Probably due to the German relations of the Windsors, the Hubertus was worn by some senior members of the Royal Family in the 1970s-1990s. The late Duke of Edinburgh was frequently seen in a Hubertus coat. The Duke of Kent also wears it although less frequently now. (All images below.)
In 1980 Lady Diana Spencer was snapped wearing a green Hubertus coat over her evening dress by the Royal photographer Jane Fincher, when the Princess-to-be arrived at The Ritz for Princes Margaret’s 50th birthday party.
British makers of coats and countrywear use Loden as a change from the usual British overcoatings. Loden is very similar to tweed in the way it performs but it offers a different feel and look. Chrysalis and Private White VC both use Loden for field coats and overcoats too, giving it an interesting twist.
In Italy, Spain, France and Switzerland the Hubertus is also rather popular among classically dressed gentlemen. In northern Italy you actually see more green Loden coats in winter than you do in Germany. On my travels I’ve seen it in Florence, Venice, Milano and Bergamo, worn mainly by elderly gentlemen (below). It is also popular with vintage fans in Italy, models made by Schneider’s from Salzburg being particularly sought after.
The Hubertus coat traditionally comes with a deep inverted pleat at the back for ease of movement (originally for shooting). It also has underarm vents for ventilation, leather football buttons and pockets with an inside opening (like on some raincoats) that allow access to the pockets of your trousers or jacket.
There is no maker or retailer who can claim to offer the original Hubertus. Lodenfrey in Munich would probably object because they were the first to weave a truly water-repellent Loden in 1872, the so called Strichloden.
The outside of that fabric is finished using thistles, a technique still used today. Today Strichloden is woven by several mills, typically in a mix of 80% wool and 20% alpaca.
Lodenfrey sold Hubertus coats made of their own Strichloden internationally. They used to have mills in Germany and their own coat factory in Munich, but those days are long gone.
Schneider’s in Salzburg was perhaps even more renowned, both in Austria and Germany and internationally but the company went bankrupt in 2023. Schneider’s used to make their coats in Austria until they moved the production to middle Europe.
Today Plankl in Vienna is maybe the best source for a well made and authentic Hubertus coat. You can buy off-the-rack but they will also adapt personal measurements. I assume they have their own production in Austria. Eduard Meier in Munich also stocks very well made Loden coats.
For me the Hubertus is best seen as a slightly more unusual version of a covert coat, and equally versatile (also originally a piece of country clothing). You can wear it as town coat with a grey or navy business suit. It can be worn at the weekend over a sports jacket and flannels or corduroys. And you can wear the Hubertus with sportswear, for example jeans and a chunky sweater.
Outside the Hubertus style there two other types of Loden coat worth looking at: the shorter Loden Stutzer and the Lodenkotze or Wetterfleck (below). The latter style is a kind of cape or cloak that is made with the same type of collar as the Hubertus. It has vents for the arms and usually two long panels of fabric that allow you to keep the ‘wetterfleck’ from flying away.
That’s traditionally worn over your backpack when it rains. Originally made for the huntsman, it’s now also worn as an alternative to the Hubertus coat and for hiking in the mountains. It protects from drizzle and wind, and can be easily be rolled up and carried in the backpack.
As the original Loden is rather coarse, heavy and warm, weavers nowadays mainly make lighter, softer and luxurious variations. Sometimes they cross the line into flannel which is similar. Loden is distinct in its more or less fulled surface; if you don’t finish it this way you will get a kind of flannel.
Leichtfried thus sells lots of its fine-merino Loden as a flannel. You can find it as an overcoat in the range of the German outfitter Anton Meyer, or as trousers at Scavini in Paris.
My personal experience with Loden started in childhood, because my father used to wear a green unlined Hubertus coat made of a double-faced Loden. When I was 15 or 16 my grandmother bought me my first Loden coat in a department store. It was navy but cut in the traditional Hubertus style.
In my twenties and thirties I was totally focused on English greatcoats. But when I found out that some of the best dressed members of the English Royal family regularly showed up in Hubertus coats I started wearing the green Loden coat that my father had given me in the meantime.
About 15 years ago I started looking for vintage Loden coats in second-hand shops and on eBay. My favourite brand became Salko, an Austrian maker that had gone out of business. I recommend looking for the brand online. I own two coats from Salko now and while I’ve never had one from Lodenfrey, I have owned two from Schneider’s (above).
I have always envied the Brits because they can find loads of vintage suits and greatcoats in their neighbourhood (I hunted for clothes in Oxfam and Sue Ryder shops in London in the 1980s myself). But the advantage of living in continental Europe is that you can find good Loden coats everywhere. Every time I go to Florence or Milan I could come back with at least one good vintage Loden, if I only had space in my luggage.
NB: Styling images above and below chosen by the PS team rather than Bernhard, for reference in comments/questions. Black and white photos are from www.lodenwalker.com
I saw an image of David Beckham wearing one the other day it really caught my eye and I wondered what it was and here it is today on one of my favourite websites. What’re the chances.
Great article and it feels like this was a gap in PS coverage which has now been filled. I have the Cordings version which is very nice but I would make the sleeves a bit wider. Sad to hear about Schneiders. I believe Schneidres made the coats for Cordings, so I wonder what is going to happen to that.
Does anyone have experience of the Husbands version?
Yes I’ve tried it Nick. It’s a really great cloth and shape, though the collar is a little big for me (more Husbands style in that respect)
I agree. Bernhard’s articles (like his books) are well written and thorough. The Essential Overcoats section in his original “Gentleman” book (pages 194 to 199) remains an excellent guide to classic outerwear. It’s probably not a coincidence that Cordings added the Loden and British Warm coats to their range after it was republished.
A significant number of the brands that he covered have since gone bust or have been mis-managed by new owners – e.g. Chester Barrie, Brooks Brothers, TM Lewin and Thomas Pink. So I’d love Bernhard to publish an updated edition of The Gentleman with some alternative suggestions on where to buy classic menswear. And Simon, please publish more articles by him and Bruce Boyer as they are my favourite menswear writers.
My dad spent some time in Germany in the 70s and 80s, which is where he must have acquired his Loden (I think it was a Loden-Frey; certainly I remember the label having the Bavarian blue check). As a student I liberated it from the back of his wardrobe and wore it hard as a winter coat; sadly it eventually succumbed to a moth infestation in our digs, but having survived 40+ years it wasn’t a bad innings.
can only say great things about loden, it is very hard wearing and for me the best for the cold and even if the temps are shifting up its very good at balancing this.
the throwback i think: most of the coats or jackets made of it have a too old fashioned style but thats not fault of the cloth 😉
what to you guys think about a light loden for a tweed jacket substitute?
There a several Loden fabrics that can be used as an alternative to tweeds (which come in as many different weights as Loden).
The choice depends mostly on the amount of structure and colours in the mix that you are looking for. Some of the weavers mentioned sell fabric online so chances are that you can find something for a jackets.
I once had a Loden shirt jacket made by 100Hands from a Merino Loden by Leichtfried.
hard to explain this in english for me but, SImon once said that flanell is a bad jacket cloth because it holds it shape not well (if think that was the case or the drape (I am unsure)).
Does this affect loden aswell comparing it to tweed?
It’s more that flannel is usually made for suits and so is a little sharp for a regular casual sports jacket Max
Great article! Good to read about styles and makers not usually written about in Britain & US
Coincidentally I picked up a Navy Burberry’s coat at a flea market in Gmunden (Upper Austria) last autumn. The material is approximately loden and it has certain features: collar, buttons and pockets in a similar manner to the hubertus’ above. The inside label is from a well heeled store in Linz that Burberry’s must have supplied. I guess the English make fit in with Austrian style. Most importantly the coat fit perfectly and only cost me €100.
What about a nice Peacoat made from Loden, I imagine that would be very nice. I wonder if Plankl in Vienna would stock them or of course a tailor could make one up?
Interestingly, my Gieves pea coat I had made years ago was from Loden. I think it was too lightweight though to really feel any difference
Thanks indeed. I imagine a grey, even a light grey…or charcoal as well as of course navy.
BTW, what a superb article here!!
I did visit a famous shop in Vienna some years ago which may well have been Plankl, looking at, and trying on their traditional Austrian jackets which I found very beautiful garments indeed and which have very recognisable and distinctive lapels!!
Another merino loden coat by Davide Taub :
https://davidetaub.blogspot.com/2015/10/naval-inspired-barrel-shaped-coat.html
A bridgecoat by Davide Taub made of Leichtfried Loden too:
https://www.pixwox.com/post/6850122556661948124325/
and a green “driving jacket” (loden, probably Leichtfried as well):
https://www.pixwox.com/post/3726703533272424373426/
Very timely article, as I am wearing my Loden (same model as Hubertus) from Schneider’s of Salzburg today. I bought it at a shop in Cortina, Italy and it is one of the best RTW purchases I have ever made. I use it on days when it is not too cold, as well as like a raincoat when I need a bit more worth. It goes with anything from a business suit to jeans.
It’s interesting that you say that your Loden coat being the best RTW purchase and that it acts both an overcoat and a raincoat.
I think that the Hubertus coat is one of these classics that cannot be improved by a tailor (like a good khakis or chinos) and that it really works both as an overcoat and a raincoat. Especially in a cold spring it is perfect.
Dear Mr Roetzel, I agree that the Hubertus couldn’t be improved by a tailor. A well-done Raglan coat (like Simon’s) or a classic Aquascutum rain coat would be other examples of garments that work better RTW than bespoke.
I use mine in the autumn or spring when it isn’t too cold (today in Zurich it was around 5 degrees in the morning, going up to 15 in the afternoon) or when it is cold and raining. As long as it isn’t pouring it works perfectly in the rain, as the water beads off the wool.
One question — the shop where I bought mine suggested I get it unlined, which they said is the traditional way of making a loden. I did buy it unlined and I am quite happy with the choice. Is it true that a loden is traditionally made unlined?
Btw, I got a copy of your book Gentleman in the mid-1990s when I was a teenager and getting into clothes. I couldn’t say how many times I’ve read the book and for me it is still one of the best ever books on mens clothing ever written. My old copy is still on my shelf today.
Hi Andrew, can answer your question regarding the lining! Yes in this case you have the full benefits over the fabric. imagine there is 100% polyester lining, it greatly decrease the loden functionality 🙂 Sure one a canvas in a jacket is a other thing, one could also like to have a lining in the arms for easier getting into the jacket 🙂
I would say that unlined (or partly lined) is very traditional as linings ad to the cost of the coat and linings are more prone to wear than the Loden fabric. Often doubleface Loden fabrics are used (with a check on the inside) instead of a lining. Lodencoats were everyday and workwear so they had to be durable. Fancy linings were usually reserved for the Sunday Loden jackets. Expensive rtw brands like Lodenfrey, Schneiders, Plankl, Salko etc. made the Hubertus coats both lined and unlined in order to offer a change now and then.
sure. hubertus is best unlined. that is the real deal. by origin it is a mountain hunters’ coat. utility wear if you will.
Hi Simon,
Another very interesting historical and technical article. Personally I’m not a fan. I had a Drake’s coat with that inverted pleat that I found so irritating it found its way to Marrkt after season. You have written about association and in relation to that I find the Loden coat a bit Brussels Eurocrats for my taste.
Nevertheless it was very interesting to read about the history and the cloth.
Thanks again.
None of my Eurocrat friends and colleagues in Brussels wear Loden coats (more’s the pity!). Your association is not borne out by my experience. Besides, don’t you think they are more evocative of Austria and more broadly Mitteleuropa than of Belgium?
Great article by the way! More like this, please.
Agee not necessarily borne out by experience as I don’t have any Eurocrat friends. I do seem to recall Jean Claude Junker wearing one though. Nevertheless more of a connotation than a fact. On the other hand, the Rocco Schiavone character in Ice Cold Murders wears one with desert boots and looks super cool.
Either way not for me.
Thank you Bernhard, this is a really nice article and I have really enjoyed understanding the history of Loden.
Simon – dare I say it, but could PS consider Loden for a future donegal? I’m perhaps a little put off my the overt greens and older-styling of current versions but I think you could do a great job with a modern iteration.
Thanks a nice idea James, yes, it would make a great green
I am usually in Paris in winter and I always take a Loden coat I bought there at Mettez. It is a perfect blend of style and performance. Mine has a clean design. The coat is warm, sheds rain and snow, and the rich shade of green goes with everything. Because the cloth is dense the coat also packs up small enough to fit easily into my suitcase. It has been one of my best clothing purchases ever.
It’s good that you mention Mettez. This shop is an outpost of authentic Loden fashion and it shows how well Loden clothes fit into continental French elegance. Especially as the colour green has a special significance in French countrywear.
Funny, I just bought the Cordings version and am liking it a lot, despite the traditional styling.
Of note, Schneider’s was purchased and now operates under the Maximillian Tyrol/Austria brand. They use the same resources as Schneider’s to produce their coats and they are identical to the original (and made in Austria, actually)
Markus, do you happen to know who stocks the Schneider’s / Maximilian coats in Germany or Austria? They seem to be difficult to find online.
I do like the cut and silhouette of a longer loden coat like the first (Husbands Paris) example including the traditional rich green colour, but cannot get on with the shoulder flange detail which I personally think detracts from the coat as a whole as has historically stopped me from considering one when looking for a longer overcoat.
Two questions. Firstly, do you know the reason for this detail and whether it is for an elongated should or for some other performance reason. Secondly, do you know of any makers who produce a loden similar to the Husbands Paris example without this detail.
This type of shoulder originates in the double layer of fabric on the shoulder (I think it is called saddle) typical of traditional Hubertus coats (to add extra protection against rain). More fashionable coat manufacturers have made variations of the Hubertus coat with a normal sleevehead or even Raglan shoulders. I like the square look of the traditional shape which will soften up over the years (especially if the coat is worn a lot without a jacket underneath).
with a hubertus the shoulders, chest, and upper back are usually constructed of double-layer loden fabric.
thus typical design of the coat combines protection from the elements with agility of movement.
Fascinating!
Now I’ve got one question though: does anyone know whether there’s a relation or shared heritage between the Hubertus coat and the Balmacaan? Different fabrics aside, both look almost identical: long, no lapels, turndown collar, not particularly shaped or close-fitting, straps on the cuffs, etc. The Balmacaan usually has a fly front, the Hubertus coat not, but even so, some of the examples here do seem to have a fly front (and I’ve seen Balmacaan-in-all-but-name coats with set-in sleeves instead of the usual raglans).
That’s a lot of similarity and I’d love to know if there’s some history behind that, if anyone knows!
It’s an interesting question Alex. My guess (not based on much) would be that they’re both largely driven by function. If you wanted to make a simple coverall garment, after all, how would you make it? Particularly when you look at similarities to cloaks, which were the original simple overall garment
There is obviously a relation but I haven’t found the exact history. Both are constructed for comfort and ease of movement, this alone has lead to a similar cut.
Well that’s a bit of luck, I don’t know why but Loden coats popped into my head recently and I was wondering about them – what a shame several of the companies have gone bust.
In the UK the Loden coat was the trademark of the Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd in the early 1990s.
Thanks for the article
Fabulous and in depth article. Most loden coats tend to look at bit old fashioned but in the right cut could straddle the formal/casual line well.
I think a green loden would make a very interesting addition to the PS Donegal Overcoat lineup.
Hey simon: Received my MTO size 8 (XXL) blue suede overshirt yesterday and I have to say you really outdid yourself this time. Already added my name to the waitlist for another one in the more traditional color that I hope will be available by next year. One of the reasons I could afford to do so is that I’m now saving so much money on my new Uniqlo socks (thanks fellow PS readers!). Best,
Ha! Love it Howie, and so pleased the MTO system meant we could do that for you
I believe this is now the first time Scavini have been mentioned in a PS article! It’s interesting that the “flannel trousers” linked are actually in a Loden. I would imagine it is for longevity? I have quite a few of their RTW trousers, including an actual grey flannel which is on its last legs now, but I’ve stopped buying them largely because I find it very difficult to fit RTW tailored trousers that aren’t cut very widely, which one shouldn’t expect from a French maker.
The Leichtfried Loden that Scavini uses is a Merino Loden which is finished more like a flannel with very little fulling. I have used this fabric also for suits. It is slightly stiffer in the beginning than a flannel from Fox but more hardwearing than the Italian flannel from VBC.
There’s a place called LodenWelt on the near Pustertal in Northern Italy Never sopped there but I think it’s a manufacturer and theme park!
This is a fantastic article! I have two coats from Private White made from Loden fabric woven by Steiner. I must say that they are my two favorite coats by far. The dark olive green color of the Hubertus coat is fantastic so, I may be on the hunt for one soon!
I love the “Loden cuddler” made by Private White VC, a great variation of the theme “Lodencoat”.
Yes sir! I enjoy my two cuddlers immensely, but am definitely intrigued by this Hubertus model. The back pleat takes some getting used to, but I realize its purpose and love that dark olive color. My Private White Loden coats are very practical to wear, but the Hubertus model seems a bit more dramatic with that pleat. Do you find the Hubertus easy to wear in different and more casual situations?
For a long time, I was obsessed with idea of a long green Loden duffle coat. As I couldn’t find any, I asked tailor Zdeněk Hartl from Salon Hartl in Prague to make me one bespoke. It was great process to discuss the design with him. We went trough several samples and decided for super heavy Loden cloth (900 grams) from W. Jungmann und Neffe in Vienna. A friend of mine, who builds musical instruments, made toggles from olive wood for me. Some eight years later, the coat serves me very well. I don’t remember which mill made the cloth, but it’s the most sturdy fabric I encountered.
Sounds like a very interesting creation. Next time in Vienna I must have a look at the fabric at Jungmann & Neffe.
Very nice style but to me it flatters only people with above average height. I am 178cm and all the long coats make me look short. What would you suggest for a short three seasons jacket-coat for themperatures between -2 and 10-15C ? I am looking for a long time for something casual to be worn more with jeans and pullover or sweatshirt.
How about a nice heavy pea coat Georgios?
I purchased an overcoat by Schneider’s of Saltzburg a few years ago .It looks at first glance to be a loden but it is in fact a simple raglan coat in a loden colour.The cloth is a wool /cashmere mix and probably weighs around 16oz.There is a removable zip lining.
Nice garment and easy to wear because of it’s lightness.
It might be Loden nonetheless. I own a Lodencoat from Schneiders which is also made of a wool-Cashmere mix. Loden comes in all types from very heavy and rough to lightweight and silky.
I appreciate that this article is well-researched and written, however I find it a bit too fawning towards nations and traditions for my personal taste. I take the idea that clothes are only clothes. You can go too far with the idea of heritage. Loden bouncing around the courts of insufferable European Aristocrats can only old my interest for a paragraph. What associations do ordinary people on the street have with Loden? What does it mean to wear it now? Other than that I’m not personally interested.
I want to finish by repeating that this is clearly well researched and written. I mean nothing against the author.
I, for one, found Bernhard’s insights into the tradition and heritage of loden very interesting, and just as relevant today. Aren’t ordinary people’s associations with any particular clothing shaped in part by how it was worn in the past and by whom? A case in point: elsewhere in this thread, Markus posted some thoughts on how loden coats are seen today in Austria and southern Germany. These associations are surely informed by the cloth’s history.
Very nice article. Well researched and terrific detail.
I was hoping someone could tell me more about the source of that image or the brand of that double breasted hunting coat, the one with the rifle, please?
I grew up in Upper Styria, where most of Austria’s loden is produced. Nevertheless, I have to say that, by and large, loden is less and less relevant. Loden coats (at least in Austria and Southern Germany) are seen as very rural, somewhat backwoods, politically conservative, sometimes even extteme right-wing or monarchistic, certainly not urban, modern or cosmopolitan.
The practical use of loden has been replaced by technical fabrics that are more waterproof, lighter and more comfortable to wear.
I’d wondered about that; would you say the Lodenmantel is as politically-laden as a Tracht outfit, or just small-c conservative?
Thinking about it removed from its original context: from what I remember from when I lived in the Netherlands, a Hubertus-style coat might have been part of an upper-class/preppy outfit, but wouldn’t be countryside-coded. (In the same way, trad English country clothes – cords, tweeds, brogues, etc. – were posh urban wear).
It is difficult to separate. Loden is almost always used in Tracht, with all its political connotations. And, for me, an Hubertus coat is Tracht.
Interesting, thanks; I suppose I think of the Hubertus as just an overcoat rather than Tracht, because I’ve mostly seen it worn in non-Tracht contexts.
Interesting Bernard. I work as a tour guide around the Cotswolds. Many villages there such as Norton St Phillip were heavily involved in the process of fulling. For centuries our wool and cloth was the envy of the world. Hence why we have many pubs called the Golden Fleece.
A great article.
Loden coats are uniquely handsome, the cut, the rich earthy tone.
The wearer always looks merrily regal.
Of course, another garment roughly in this milieu is the boiled wool sweater.
Lovely stuff, and pretty much every shade of green shown would work well in the woods, but it wouldn’t hold up to hard use in the field as well as modern hunting kit. It’d be a shame to subject a nice Loden field coat to actual hunting conditions. Which is tragic, really.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
If you get a Lodencoat that is made of the right type and weight of Loden it is as hard-wearing as tweed. These coats have been used by huntsmen in Germany and Austria for good reason.
Very interesting article!
A Lodenfrey coat was “one that got away” for me – I found one at a thrift shop knowing nothing about it, but it caught my eye. I thought it was a bit loose and it was on the pricy side (for a thrift store). I decided that I didn’t *need* it (the overcoat dilemma) so I left it. I then read more about loden and the style (how it’s supposed to be loose), and went back for it, but it was gone.
Well, I for one needed an explanation of the term “Loden” as I don’t believe I had ever heard of the cloth. So thanks for the article, Bernhard. Much appreciated. The process of handwringing or stamping it with your feet is fascinating and just so low-tech that I had to smile.
I love being able to draw from different traditions, and can feel an innocent sense of pride in being able to clothe myself in different European cultural contributions.
I do wish I could feel comfortable in one of those loden cloaks, they’re fantastic. Even in a hunting context, however, in my northern European country I fear it would be too much cosplay.
Are you surrounded by a world of “athleisure” — men in sweatpants, fleece jackets, ball caps and sneakers? I’m sympathetic. I’m in the US.
I think the trick — in avoiding seeming “cosplay” — is to wear something like a loden coat when the weather truly justifies it. So, you’ll have weather conditions as a sort of style-support; your lovely loden coat will seem undeniably practical.
I understand your point. Still I think it is perfectly okay for anyone to wear a Lodencoat just as anyone wears a tweedjacket, denim trousers or a basque. Anything that is not like the normal everyday wear of the majority is an eccentric choice nowadays anway.
I was wondering when you would make a post about loden, love to see it. I just discovered the Hubertus coat a few months ago and have been on a search for one. It would look pretty out of place where I live in the US but I love the style and history so much that I’m willing to look a little out of place. Of the ones I have seen on eBay, Steinbock looks the most appealing to me. Just can’t find one in my size. And it has to be green ha.
For a long time, I was obsessed with the idea of green duffle coat. I couldn’t find anything I liked so pitched the idea to Zdeněk Hartl form Salon Hartl in Prague. He liked and it. It was great to discuss the design together. He brought samples of loden fabric form Wilhelm Jungmann & Neffe in Vienna, he visits regulerly. We decided for extremely heavy loden (I believe over 900 gr). A friend of mine, who builds musical instruments, made me toggles from olive wood and lightly dyed them. The coat is extremely sturdy and looks like new after seven years of heavy wear.
Nice article, thanks. Great fabric but never loved the cut. One day, I shall have something in “british warm” style made up sing good Loden fabric
Excellent presentation, Herr Roetzel!
I absolutely adore Loden. There’s nothing like the light, soft supple hand of Loden. It is reliably weather-proof, warm, and yet so easy to wear.
Personally, I own two — one green and one blue Hubertus. The former is both more “trad” and informal; the latter more formal. Who needs more? (Silly question!) They are both very long, inviting, and marvelous to wear.
And paired with a natty felt hat or a tweed cap, it’s the basis for a striking silhouette.
Loden is the essential coat, a garment that radiates an entire culture of sport, of rural life, of refined taste, and of country elegance — which is welcome everywhere.
I have a question about pricing of coats. I have thought that brands would be forced to make shortcuts with making an overcoat for less than around 850-1000 USD.
If that is right, how is Spier and Mackay then able to produce their car coat in 100& wool with a weight of 750 g/sqm? The Armoury has one somewhat similar in style at 1950 USD, but it has a weight of 500 g/sqm. Maybe the logic behind pricing here lies in the amount of hours that has went into producing, but it is hard to make sense of for the newcomer into menswear. Can someone help with explaining this?
Hey Emil,
There’s a lot of factors that go into that. For the product itself, they include:
– The make of the coat. Like our guide to quality in suits, or this system, there are big differences
– The fineness or otherwise expense of the wool. This can vary hugely
– The cost of the shop and staff and everything else with a retail outlet, all very much with its own value as we covered this week
Makes sense, thanks! This is hard to guess from looking online for someone who is relatively new to this. I was comparing Spier and Mackay’s melton car coat and The Armoury’s Tokyo coat, but seems like you got it. the first of these is 398 USD usually (now on sale for 298), and the Tokyo coat is as I wrote 1950, so the difference is quite significant.
Indeed. That’s an example where all of those factors are at play. And of course you could get a bespoke version that would be multiples of the Armoury one
I’m happy you like my photos of Bernhard and Antonino Ubaldo 😊
Hi Torsten!
My apologies, I didn’t know they were yours. Let me know the exact credit you’d like on them and I’ll add it now
Hi Simon, these comments serve as credit. Totally fine with me.
Dear Bernhard and Simon,
I love these articles on Central European traditions. As a Swede raised in Switzerland with German ancestry, I feel very connected to these traditions, without any political connotations.
I absolutely love my loden coat. I wear it in Engadin with knitwear and in Milan with a black tie. For me, it’s the perfect overcoat, playing in the same polyvalent league as the camel polo coat, just with a bit more of that old European charm.
Now to my question, perhaps directed to Bernhard. I’ve been searching for a walkjacket for a long time. I’m looking for a traditional, slightly “Janker”-style jacket, but boxy and without vents, like Giesswein used to make. It’s an informal, lightweight boiled wool jacket, similar in informality to the Theba and a shirt jacket. Do you know where I could find one? Lodenfrey doesn’t seem to carry the real deal anymore. I’ve been searching for a long time.
Thank you, and please keep up these wonderful topics. Perhaps an article on the Kandahar Cresta boot would be an interesting addition in the future.
Tyrolian maker Stapf makes traditional Janker jackets. The designs are purist, without ornamentation.
A very interesting read, thank you Bernhard.
Re:
“Felt is created by fulling wool fibres in hot water, before weaving them.”
I had been led to believe that felt was not woven at all, but rather matted/pressed. Is that correct?
As an aside, in ancient Rome wool was fulled in urine, rather than soap and water! Bret Devereaux has a very detailed blog post on the fulling process in the ancient world here[1], part of a larger series on textile production. Well worth a read of you’re into that sort of thing.
[1] https://acoup.blog/2021/04/02/collections-clothing-how-did-they-make-it-part-iva-dyed-in-the-wool/
On my first visit to France as a student in 1976 I was struck by the overcoats, in bottle green, with the flat shoulder, sleeves inset underneath the shoulder line and a slight A-line shape (I can’t remember if there was a back pleat but probably due to the shape). I did not know if these were traditional French, or a fashion fad but I liked them. I suspect they were a French “Hubertus coat”, but don’t know. I would be interested if anyone else remembers them.
Thank you for this article. When you think you know it all, permanentstyle , elevates your knowledge and fill the ignorance gap. Now I know about Loden Hobertus coat. Fantastic article.
Because of this article. I just purchased a green Loden ,Hubertus coat. O my, this is something else. Absolutely classic, timeless and beautiful piece. Thanks
Congratulations! May I ask from what store or maker did you buy it?
Has anyone tried the Wools Boutique Uomo Hubertus Coat, which they say is exactly the same as the Schneiders model?
https://www.woolsboutiqueuomo.com/products/schneiders-loden-coat-hubertus-green?variant=9296745603
Thanks, mr Roetzel, for this very informative essay.
Loden coats, almost invariably in the Hubertus (patron saint of hunting) cut, are a true staple of classic menswear here in northen Italy, even among the not-so-much interested in style, it’s just comment-il-faut.
The most common seems to be Innsbruck’s Steinbock, maybe because the Tyrol capital is an easy week-end destination, but one can find them in most classical shops.
I bought one with my first salary back in 2020, and both my mother and father have more than one: one in particular always caught my imagination as a child, as it was cut in a softer cloth and had a cloak upon the traditional double shoulder, and was lined in a bronze like bamberg with doppeladlers. One of my mother’s was in longer, in a blue cloth with green cuffs and a fur collar.
Now I’m considering buying another one, always a green Hubertus, but unlined: would you advise a tighter fit? In the pics above, I can see yours is rather tighter than Antonino Caltagirone’s.