Introducing: The nubuck tote
*Please purchase through the Frank Clegg website. They have all stock of both the black and brown versions of the bag*
The idea behind the PS Shop is to produce occasional pieces of menswear that I love, but can’t find elsewhere.
There is no aim of becoming a full brand, or filling out categories: I will not be selling suits or shoes anytime soon.
If I have a choice of what I do for a living, I would rather be a writer than a shopkeeper.
But it is really fun to develop beautiful products occasionally, to make them part of how I dress and if suitable, make small runs for readers. It’s like trying a beautiful tweed, making a jacket in it, and spreading the word to everyone you know.
This is pretty much how things worked out with this nubuck tote bag, made by Frank Clegg.
I fell in love with the leather when I visited the Clegg factory in Massachusetts, at the end of 2018.
The full skin was draped across a cutting table, halfway down the room. I instinctively picked it up, rolled it between my fingers. It felt like the softest suede, but without the delicacy of calf. It had real, meaty body.
Frank, Ian, Andrew and I spent a good half hour leaning on that table talking about the skin - as pictured below. I’m pleased I look as enthusiastic as I felt.
I kindly asked if it was possible to make a tote bag out of the leather. Apparently it was, so we went through some details - basically, the same as the existing Tall Tote that Clegg makes, just with additional pockets. I knew that model, and how well it would work for me.
I received the bag three weeks later, and have used it consistently for the 18 months since.
I’m no leather expert. My eye is that of a consumer, not a craftsman. So sometimes I worry that the decisions I make will turn out to be foolish. That’s certainly happened with the occasional bespoke commission.
Fortunately, that was not the case here. Over those 18 months the tote has more than lived up to expectations. I love using it, I get regular compliments on it, and I think I’d be happy if it were the only bag I owned.
There is no better material for an unlined bag, for my style and preferences, than this nubuck bullskin.
As alluded to earlier, the thing I like most is the contrast between the soft surface and the thick, strong body. It also has a wonderful depth of the colour, and its rich, dark brown goes with everything, from workwear to worsteds.
In fact, I’m not sure how it does that. I guess because it’s so dark, and subtle. The style might be too casual for some suit wearers, but the material certainly isn’t.
The leather is also - helpfully, and surprisingly - water and oil resistant, and almost impervious to stains.
It’s made by Remy Carriat, a family-owned French tannery.
The nubuck, which they call Gochoki, is made from a young bull leather. It has a grain applied, which is buffed to give it that silky suede finish. But it’s also given a 3M treatment during the tanning process, which makes it water and oil-resistant.
I can attest to the effectiveness of that treatment after my months of use. Despite carrying it at least once a week, in rain and shine, there are no marks on it anywhere - other than the darkening on the handles you get from your hands.
Because the leather is so nice, we doubled it up so it's on the inside of the bag as well, which means you get the feeling of it when you reach in to grab the contents. The two pockets (one on each side) are also made out of the bullskin.
The thickness of the leather makes it a little heavier than other totes, but the fact it doesn’t have any internal structure saves a little weight too. I certainly don’t notice the weight, unless the bag is stuffed with weighty items - and then anything would be heavy.
The only thing it isn’t so practical for is carrying a computer, as there is no separate compartment. But that doesn’t mean you couldn’t carry one in there - you just might want to have it in a separate case.
The design and dimensions, as mentioned, are the same as the Tall Tote from Clegg, which you can see here.
The only design change we made was to put in two pockets, one zipped (shown above) and one open, to make it easier to carry a phone, keys and other smaller items. Personally, it’s something I feel any unlined tote needs - I hate rooting around at the bottom for things.
The zips are solid brass, as on all Clegg hardware.
The bags are available now, as usual, on the Permanent Style shop, and cost £730 + VAT.
One thing we’ve done differently with stock, this time, is that Clegg have held onto some of it, in order to better cater to orders from North America. So if you order from the US or Canada from their site, you’ll get that stock and save on both shipping and duties.
I’m sure these will go quickly, but, presuming we can always get the leather, I think this will be re-made and re-issued in the future too. Certainly, I’ll be carrying mine (and therefore featuring it on the site), for a long time to come.
Any questions let me know below, or through the dedicated shop email: [email protected].
All details and images on the shop page here.
Photography:
- Paris, in tweed jacket, Alex Natt @adnatt
- London, in navy coat, Milad Abedi @milad_abedi
- US, at Clegg factory, M.Studios
Clothes featured:
- Tweed jacket outfit, details on 'T-shirt under shirts' post
- Navy coat outfit, details on Michael Browne review
Stunningly beautiful
Very smart, nice addition to the shop.
Hi Simon,
The tote cannot be closed with a zipper. Does the rain nog get inside of the tote?
No, not really. See comments above on that point
You write that one pocket is zippered, and one is open, but in the photo showing the inside, there are clearly two zippers. Can you explain?
Yes, good spot. The bag I’m carrying (and own) is a prototype, and that element was changed on the final bag. There are images of both pockets on the shop page, if you have a look there.
Thanks for highlighting that.
Sublime; nubuck is a much underused skin imo. As a matter of interest how does the quality of a Frank Clegg made bag like this compare to a top end Hermes or similar; clearly not comparable price point, but just interested! Thanks!
With a skin like this, there’s no difference in materials. The only difference is hand sewing – not all Hermes bags are hand sewn anymore, and I don’t think their totes are. But the handbags for example mostly are, and that’s a lot more work – saddle stitching the seams like you would do on a bespoke shoe
The leather looks beautiful and the addition of the pockets addresses my one small gripe with the design of the original tall tote! A question: is the color of the brass zippers silver or more on the yellow side? Can’t quite tell from the pictures.
The zippers are solid brass, uncoated, so brass colour – a warm yellow
Hi Simon,
The tote is unfortunately out of stock. Do you plan to stock new ones soon? Thanks. Philippe
Hi Philippe,
We’re not sure. We’re just seeing about sourcing leather now. The best thing to do is email [email protected] and ask to be on the waiting list for it – then you’ll be kept in touch
Do you have any more details about the 3M coating? I am somewhat paranoid about PFOAs (see https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/magazine/the-lawyer-who-became-duponts-worst-nightmare.html) and some of these waterproof coatings use C8 alternatives that are unstudied but probably just as damaging.
I can get some, sure, but one of the major points of that case was that 3M stopped producing that in 2000? It was DuPont that didn’t, and went on making its own.
Well, technically, they stopped … but “stopped” means shortening the carbon chain from C8 to C6 in many cases … which is better sort of but not really. For example, GenX which is the Dupont replacement is really not good for you.
Interesting, thanks.
This bag is fantastic, well done! Does Clegg make other bags in this leather? This company is a real treasure and I discovered it by reading PS, thanks!
Oh good, pleased to know, they are a great family and make a great product.
No, they don’t make anything else out of the leather. It’s exclusive to this bag.
This is a slam dunk of a bag. A very welcome addition to the lineup!
That leather looks absolutely gorgeous! What do you use a tote style the most for Simon? I‘m somehow in two minds about it. On the one hand I feel attracted to it and then again I find it too feminine.
To be honest, I’ve never even considered that this could look feminine – some other totes, in other leathers perhaps, but not this.
I’m not sure what you mean by what I use it the most for? Do you mean for what purposes? I use it almost every day, the only exception being when I have too much volume to carry (in which case I use my other Clegg tote!) or if things are very heavy, eg a big computer.
I think totes like this are the perfect versatile bag unless you work in a very formal office environment. Which is not that many people any more I guess
Thanks, yes I meant the purpose. Basically whether or not you use it for „business“ purposes instead of a classical briefcase.
I do, yes, and I think it works in that regard because of the colour and tone. But I do think some people would think it too casual for business
Lovely bag! Curious about how this Clegg bag compares to the Acate Borsia Kaus tote you’ve mentioned before, would be curious about your views on relative differences between makers, styling, and functionality.
The Kaus is nice, but to be honest it doesn’t compare in terms of the leather. That nubuck is a lot thinner, and doesn’t have the same feel on the surface or the body. The make is good, and a similar level to this. Overall the styling is more effeminate I think – which some people will like and others not. The tassels and the thin silver hardware aren’t for everyone
Hello Simon, great article, very handsome bag, might even consider getting one.
My question is , don’t makers of such high end leather bags put what was once 4 metal studs on the base of the bag, so the bag doesn’t get damage, or is this something that has just not done any more?
Roger.
Some do, yes, but usually on more structured/stiffer bags, where those metal studs would keep a good amount of the leather off the ground. With something soft like this, they wouldn’t have much effect. That was the key reason I was so keen on the 3M treatment – it has kept mine entirely stain free, despite being on the ground all the time.
A bag like this, which is designed to be used every day, and go through a lot, can’t be delicate like that.
I can’t find any fairly priced trench coats which go below the knees and is in 100% cotton. Any suggestions?
I’m afraid not – I have my Private White collab, which is currently available, a Drake’s one, which I don’t they’re doing currently, and a Coherence one which is great but would be expensive
I wanted to get the PWVC X PS one, but missed out. I take it you meant “unavailable”. I checked with Drake’s and they are, as you say, not doing it this season. Anyhow, I just saw that SEH Kelly offer one in different materials and colours. However, their waterproof material is not a natural one. Not sure what to think of it. It is, however, very reasonably priced.
Thank you for taking the time to reply, Simon.
Hey Ole. I haven’t tried it I’m afraid, so can’t really comment
Hi Ole,
Have you considered Grenfell? I think their Windsor model should fit the bill.
Hi Simon, great project! Could you imagine to bring the bag out in another colour, matching both black and brown shoes? E.g. in dark green?
Probably not for the foreseeable future, no. It is a pretty expensive project to do, give the price/quality of the leather
What qualities distinguish a tote bag that is suitable for men (or both men and women) from one that is more feminine? Is it the proportions?
Partly the proportions, but more I think the materials and colour – something this dark and thick cannot look feminine. I also think handle length is important: a smaller handle can look a bit too much like a shopping bag.
I’m afraid this is my fundamental problem with tote bags, irrespective of handle length or material; the shape just looks far too much like a ladies shopping bag.
The nubuck does look gorgeous though and I’d love to see it used for something else.
Thanks Alex.
Out of interest, what kind of bag do you use? Outside of the most formal situations, where I might carry a briefcase (not attache) I struggle to like using anything else.
I’m not Alex, but I do have the same reservations regarding totes: they just look and feel too much like shopping bags. I generally use a more casual briefcase ala filson. This is helped by the fact that most of what I carry tend to be one or two laptops and the accessories for them.
Yes, a tote wouldn’t be great for that amount of computing gear
For those who are thinking about the masculine/feminine point made above, I thought I would mention that the Armoury YouTube channel has a nice video where Mark talks about proportions and what (for him) makes certain bags more masculine or feminine.
I’m still debating the right bag for me, but I do like this one a lot. How does it compare to the Acate bag you’ve written about a few times?
Nice tip, yes, that’s a good video of Mark’s. I think we disagree slightly on handle length, but agree on everything else.
See above on comments about Acate
Apologies – I’d missed the commentary on the Acate bag! Thank you for directing me.
No worries
Could you post a link to the video?
My go-to bag for a little while now has been a Bennett Winch brief in chocolate (the standard canvas one) which I love. Obviously subjective, but for me the design and materials make it sufficiently versatile to use with tailoring carrying by the handles, but with something like a waxed jacket I’ll add the shoulder strap which I think makes it look a little bit more casual; almost like a messenger bag with the top flap.
Hope that doesn’t sound too much like an ad for BW so I’ll caveat that by saying I wouldn’t go for their tote for my previously stated objections to totes!
Interesting, thanks. It’s not a style I like personally, but then I think we can agree it is quite personal!
Simon. Great back. Can you wear it on your shoulder?
Just about without a jacket on, but not with one. I wouldn’t say it was designed to be worn on the shoulder like that though
Simon – Beautiful bag, although I’m not sure I can justify adding another Frank Clegg to the three I already have. On a slightly unrelated topic, you mentioned the wear on the handles from holding it and I had a question about that – I live in New York, and have a terrible time in the summer with walking (which I tend to do a lot) and carrying leather handles. Is there anything you do to minimize the sweat, or do you just try to reserve leather handles for the winter (or just suck it up)? Thanks!
To be honest, I don’t mind that darkening of the handles Marc, though it is perhaps easier/nicer on dark brown like this than on something like tan
I’d wondered the same several years ago – I’m also in NYC – and came across a clever product (with which I have no affiliation) on Etsy. I found these useful in mitigating the summer stickiness that can develop on some leather handles – at least in darker colors, they haven’t been too conspicuous. https://www.etsy.com/shop/nosacrificebags?section_id=20345865
Beautiful bag Simon. My one concern would be that it doesn’t have a zip closure at the opening as, say, Frank Clegg’s Hampton tote does. So while the exterior is water resistant, I’d be worried about using the bag in wet weather due to the risk of rain coming through the opening and reaching the contents. What’s been your experience?
It’s been fine – even in the images pictured from Paris, I was carrying it in the rain for a good period without any issues. In the end, when you’re carrying it the opening is very small. I used to have a zippered one and found I never used it.
Bloody gorgeous. I have a Frank Clegg Hampton tote and love it – I’ll put stuff in it just for an excuse to take it with me. And I get (and agree) why it’s this brown, but I can see this being our sartorialist equivalent of our better halves turning up to a dinner in the same dress as someone else. Perhaps the 2021 London SuperTrunk will be the first time?! Will you further collaborate for more colours?
Perhaps, though to be honest I’m not sure it really works that way with men and bags. I want the equivalent of the attaché my grandfather carried to work every day, and only got better with age. There’s so much elegance in that
Looks great, Simon.
This post reminds me how much I like that gun-club jacket. It combines so well with the flannels and a chambray or denim shirt.
Simon,
I have the PS/Globetrotter collaboration ‘Tote’.
How do they compare ?
Regards,
Jason
Similar quality level, but very different styles. That one was so much more structured
How does this compare to the Equus folio Simon? Would you say that is more for the minimalist worker? These two bags seem to be quite opposite in terms of use and size
Absolutely, that’s for a very different usage. For the kind of guy that barely carries more than 3 or 4 very small things – never needs space for gym kit, lunch, water bottle, shopping etc
Why do you prefer totes over a messenger bag? That way you don’t have anything to carry on your hands
Anything on the shoulders will damage tailoring, or any other fine clothing.
Fine if you’re wearing a leather jacket, or a sweatshirt, but it’ll shorten the life of anything else.
Sold out now on Frank Clegg?
No, there’s still stock – where are you looking?
Hi Simon,
could you please tell, which navy roll neck you are wearing on the photos above?
Thanks
Josua
It’s from Drake’s – the full outfit and details on it can be found here
Beautiful product Simon, congratulations. I am very tempted but I do wonder, wearing dark brown suede on the feet most days of the week, would it be a bit too much? Probably works better with different materials / shades on the feet?
I think it’s fine to be honest. I would be more concerned if I wore a brown-suede bomber a lot, but not just shoes
Simon, to confirm, would you not use this tote when wearing a brown suede bomber?
I would avoid it, but it wouldn’t look silly or anything – it’s more a personal style question
Understood, thanks. Would you mind explaining the rationale behind your style preference in this regard? And also, would the same extend to not wearing suede shoes and outerwear simultaneously? Thanks.
Sure. My preference would be to not wear the two together (brown suede outerwear and bag) and I’d most likely wear brown calf shoes or black suede shoes instead, for example.
However, wearing the two brown suede pieces wouldn’t look bad, as much as be more of a ‘look’ and unusual. I’d therefore be more likely to wear them together if that was the image I wanted to portray.
I’d be less concerned about wearing suede shoes and outerwear together. You can see me wearing those together in this post.
Tell us more about your new rug – is it a Heriz? In your Instagram story at the bottom of this page.
No, just a fairly straightforward hand-knotted wool – from Rugs of London in Wembley. They’re good, I’ve used them before. Decent value and service.
Gorgeous bag – love the look of the nubuck, and I’m sure it’s even nicer in person.The one thing that puts me off is the absence of a zipper. I have the Clegg-Armoury bag, which has a zipper, and although I tend to have it open when I’m walking around so that I can instantly grab something, I tend to close it when I set it down so that nothing spills out and so that strangers can’t see what’s inside. For instance, if I set it down while shopping at a department store or while sitting down for a meal at a restaurant.
Perhaps you could add a zipper during the next run? You could tuck the zipper in in such a way that it is not visible when unzipped.
Thank you. Personally I don’t have that issue and find it’s OK without a zip. I also find sometimes when there is a zip, my hand is scratching against it when I put it in and out of the bag.
However, appreciated on the feedback and the reasons for why you like having one. I’ll certainly consider it.
I guess it depends how you use it. If you use the tote bag like a glorified shopping bag, you probably don’t need a zipper. But given the quality of materials and the price, I imagine that most purchasers have something more in mind. And if you use it as a man bag of sorts, or as a casual alternative to a briefcase, then having a zipper is essential. That’s not to say I use the zipper all the time – if I’m just going to my parents’ house and using it to stash a sweater and a book, In not going to bother. But if it’s holding any work material, I need to be able to zip it.
Perhaps one option would be to tuck the zipper behind a flap so that it’s out of the way and doesn’t scratch anything when not in use?
Speaking of zippers, is the zipper for the interior pocket installed in such a way that you can use the bag to hold a cashmere sweater without worrying about it getting caught on the zipper?
Thanks. I guess I haven’t found it so essential but I can see how others might.
On the zipped pocket, it’s not hidden behind anything, but it’s at the top of the bag, so the bag would have to be pretty stuffed full with the cashmere sweater on top for that to be an issue.
If you’re in the US you can call Frank (or his son Ian, who I’ve dealt with in the past) and see if they can add it for you. I have great experience tweaking things on my bags and I’ve always found them happy to help with anything.
First of all, that’s a beautiful bag, the leather is stunning.
On that note I would like to know how you’d rate Frank Clegg’s quality vs. Swaine Adeney Brigg.
I’m in the market for one or two conservative briefcases (a single compartment one for every day and a larger volume one for days in court). I like the offerings from both makers and am unsure which to get. SAB has been around for a long time and I would assume their quality is excellent, but they are also very expensive. Which is ok as long as it’s worth it.
Frank Clegg is a bit of a newcomer (although he has now been around for quite a while as well). Also I got the impression from a lot of interviews, that Mr. Clegg is a very nice guy and someone who’s business I’d like to support. His prices are also a lot more reasonable.
If the difference in price doesn’t reflect a difference in quality I’d probably get something from Mr. Clegg – how do you think the craftsmanship from both makers compares?
I’d be grateful to hear your respectful opinion on both makers.
I don’t know the details, but a lot of the Swaine Adeney products have hand-sewing in them – using a saddle stitch, which takes a lot longer, and is a lot stronger. I don’t think the Clegg ones would do. However, it’s worth asking both to see, perhaps.
That will be the main quality difference between them. I would also guess that Swaine will be heavier, stiffer leathers – not bad, just a style point.
Totes are ladies bags to my eyes, sorry. Guys sporting them look effeminate in my view, watch cap or not.
For those with a different perspective, this one certainly seems to have the usual great level of PS products.
On topic, a beautiful bag. Off topic, I think that your trousers need to be a bit longer. As
Luciano Barbera says “I want to see your shoes, I do not want to see your socks.” Cheers.
Thanks Rob. Personally I like this length, where when just standing the trousers touch the shoes but there is little break. This inevitably means showing a little sock when you walk.
Just wanted to report, for the benefit of those who may be on the fence about getting this bag, that Simon’s article not only does not exaggerate how nice and versatile this is, but perhaps falls short. Not that it’s Simon’s fault, just that the richness of the leather is hard to convey with words or even pictures. Mine arrived a couple of days ago and I keep trying to come up with excuses to get out of the house just to use it. Great piece!
Got mine from Frank Clegg late last week. It’s truly spectacular. I was immediately surprised by the weight of the leather and the solidity it projects. The colour is beautiful. The handles are a perfect length in that one’s never tempted to sling it over a shoulder, which damage a jacket. Along with the JPLC brown leather aviator, which they no longer make, this is the best bag I’ve ever had. Thanks!
Oh good! That’s so lovely to hear Michael, thank you
New stock when please?
We’re just seeing now when we can get new leather.
Do email [email protected] if you want to be on the waiting list and get a notification of availability
Small typo in the email link Simon (m in place of n). Just in case anyone else is lazy like me and copies and pastes !
Hi Simon, great bag, I will even consider getting one 🙂
Thanks. I’m afraid they sold out though!
Any suggestions in terms of caring for the bag and it’s leather? Perhaps spraying with a suede/nubuck conditioner occasionally?
Let me check what the tannery advises.
Hi Simon
i just found that the bag is quite heavy even it is empty
and you are right, we should not add a zip top, it is useless, as we will frequently take the things in & out at the tote bag, therefore, adding a zip , means adding extra step on the process, which really not convenient enough, and even you dont zip it, the zipper closure will block the inner pockets, which not convenient too if you wanna pull somethings out
But at the end, the colour and texture of the bag is so nice
Thank you, useful feedback
I think I’ve had something similar to your globe trotter to rimowa luggage swap. I’ve noticed a shift in my luggage and bags towards items generally more subtle and practical. A calf bag seems rather loud to me right now. It seems like an all black nubuck tote would be rather pleasent to use. Understanding it doesn’t have the color depth that this does, I do frequently wear brown suede so avoiding a clash seems like a nice idea. Welcome any thoughts you might have. As an aside, I agree, with some other comments here, no zipper with this style of bag is the way to go.
Thanks. And yes, I completely get the appeal of black nubuck too – particularly if you rarely wear black shoes.
Just received this bag in the re-stock. Absolutely love it, and great value for money.
In particular, the leather is beautiful (the combination of a subtle grain and softness is new to me) and the piece looks extremely versatile in spanning casual/formal. And the build looks solid.
Thanks for bringing this bag to us all, Simon and the Clegg team.
Amazing, so nice to hear that reaction John.
Just wondering if you have found, or advise, on any maintenance/protectors for this? I asked FC but didn’t get a reply. My impression is “no”, but wanted to check. Thanks!
By the way, this bag is a pleasure to use, and i find myself intentionally filling it with things before going out so that it holds a nice shape. This kind of one-off collaboration is a really nice complement to the the more permanent items in the PS store (oxford, dartmoor, donegal etc.).
Oh good, so pleased to hear you like it so much John.
No, as mentioned in the piece, the leather has a proofing coat on it already, so you should need to do anything. If there’s ever actually mud/dirt on there, a wipe with a damp cloth should suffice
Great, thanks Simon.
Just bought this. Really really excited to receive it. Will update on thoughts once received. It’s going to be a sensational piece.
Hi Simon,
Wondering how would you compare this with your chestnut working tote bag, in term of versatility. Thanks so much.
I think it depends on what use you want it for. The working tote is much bigger – good for carrying swimming stuff to the pool, or weekend away stuff, but not good for daily use to the office etc. It’s too big for that.
The working tote doesn’t look that big on you. I saw you carrying it in lot of your posts and it looks stunning. So do you find the medium working tote is comparable to the tall tote? In term of material, how would you compare between chestnut tumbled leather and dark brown nubuck leather? Thanks.
It’s not that it’s too big in proportion to me, it’s just that it’s not that practical: it’s a big open carrier, so feels silly if you only have one or two things in it, and the proportions mean nothing stands up in it, making them easier to access.
The medium working tote is smaller, but the same proportions, so not as tall. A tall bag is just more useful for day to day use.
I’m biased, but I think the dark brown nubuck is a much nicer leather
Sorry, Simon, one more question. The nubuck tote looks extremely good on you with the winter clothes. But do you think it is equally good with summer tailoring ?
It depends what colours you tend to wear in Summer Derek. I don’t wear bright or strongly coloured clothes in warmer weather – I prefer creams and pale browns, olives and tans. All of which suit this just as much
Regarding the zipper, or lack of, I strongly agree with not including it. My city recently banned disposable plastic bags for grocery shopping, so everyone has switched to semi-permanent plastic totes that every grocery store sells for a few cents. I’ve never wished one had a zipper, and it’s very convenient to just reach in and grab what you want. And unless the bag is stuffed to the gills, nothing ever spills out. Also, I think totes just look better without a zipper. If a zipper is needed, a duffle bag is better.
Nicely put Craig
Hi Simon,
I really like this tote bag in brown! Would you consider this bag to be unisex? I was thinking of getting this for my partner for her birthday.
My partner is 5’3″ and of medium build, in which case do you think that the proportions would be too big for her?
Thank you in advance!
Tom
I’d certainly say it could work on a woman, yes. I’d be a little unsure about the proportions though, as it depends rather on her style and what she likes. Women carry all sorts of sizes, from the very big to the small.
Does she carry anything of a similar size already?
Hi Simon,
Thank you for the quick response! I’ll into this in mored detail. Alternatively, do you know of any brands of comparable quality to Frank Clegg that produce bags for women?
Many thanks,
Tom
No, but then I don’t know that market very well
Hi Simon,
Hope all well?
So, I have been enjoying this bag for a few months now, really getting use out of it.
My question is about darkening. The handles have darkened with use which is fine. But I am noticing darkening on the body of the bag as well. Just patches here and there.
I had noticed one or two small “spots” of some uncertain origin which I wiped with a damp cloth. This did not remove them so I touched over the area with a gentle baby wipe.
On the bottom of the bag I have not wiped it at all with either damp cloth or wipe but it has similar looking dark patches. The bags are only ever in my car, home, office or similar.
Have I done something accidentally to cause this, or is this sort of darkening normal? If it is not normal, can the bag be restored by Frank Clegg?
And finally, I will also at some point, purchase the black one as well. Will that be subject to the same sort of darkening (beyond the handles)?
Many thanks in advance.
Yash
Hey Yash,
I haven’t found that with mine beyond the handles, but let me ask Clegg and see if they have any feedback or thoughts. I think it’s probably inevitable that a leather like this will show some darkening over time, even if it is hugely reduced by the treatment used. And it would be less visible on the black. But I’ll see what they say.
S
Hi Simon,
Pictures of the bag attached here. Sorry, I forgot to attach them to my previous comment (Post).
Thanks.
No worries Yash. To be honest, that looks paler than I expected, almost like it’s something that would change if you brushed the surface a little back and forth, as you do with brushing suede. I presume doing that doesn’t make any difference though?
Hi Simon,
Yes I did try that but no effect.
It is not overly dark but it is noticeable.
Also, it is more marked on one side of the bag (and the bottom) than the other side, which, having thought about it, might be because I place it leaning more often on that marked side, than the other side. Maybe “bruising” almost?
Lets see what Clegg’s come back with I guess. Let me know if they can “restore it” at some point if I wanted to.
I should clarify though that none of this detracts from the look or enjoyment of the bag, as I do think it seems like a result of natural use over time.
Below the pic of the bottom of the bag fyi. I have circled one part of the darkening but as you can see from the pics, it stretches along the bottom as well.
Thanks.
Thanks Yash, that’s helpful
No problem Simon.
Thanks.
Hey Simon, I’m probably a couple years late on this but I’ve been binging your blog and keep coming back to this article. I think this is the most beautiful tote I have ever seen, my wife thinks so as well so I’m going to put an order in with Frank Clegg in time for Christmas.
My one concern was my wife is quite short at 5’4” (about 162cm) and I’m sure she’d also love to use this. Do you think it might be too tall for her with the handle drop? She doesn’t use any of my Filson totes since if she’s not careful it will sometimes drag on the ground or smack into a stair step when she’s walking up or down something.
I think the Filson totes are on the longer side so I was hoping to get an idea if height of the user was a consideration for this tote? I’m about 5’9” (175cm) so I don’t think it would be too much of an issue for me, just for her.
I might also ask the Clegg team if they can consider doing a tweak and shortening the handle drop from 8 inches to perhaps 6.5 or 7 inches since that should still lend to to throwing it over your shoulder when you need to.
If you had any thoughts, I’d really like to hear them.
Cheers
Marcus
Hey Marcus,
Thanks, pleased you think so. I’d obviously love for you to buy through us if you’re not in the US?
On the length, I guess the best thing is to see what total length of bag your wife can easily carry, and compare it to this. It’s hard for me to assess much otherwise.
Hi Simon,
A beautiful bag. I have experimented over the past year between using a tote bag (canvas) and a brief case for work and I’ve found that, while the briefcase feels more secure on business trips due to the ability to close the zipper and compartmentalise items, the tote bag remains the most practical bag on a daily commute.
I am thus considering purchasing your tote bag. I am just worried about how it will age over time.
To give you an idea, my daily commute involves walking to the Paris metro and putting my tote between my feet during the ride (while reading). Would this affect the colour of the bottom of the bag in a negative way? I never mind on canvas but for some reason find grey / grimy spots to be annoying on leather.
Thanks for your thoughts and take care.
Hi Pierre,
No worries. You will get a little bit of discolouration over the years, but it’s not a lot – much less than you would on another leather bag if it didn’t have metal feet etc. I actually have mine in the pop-up right now, and everyone thinks it’s new, even though I’ve had it for three years!
Thanks for your reply, Simon. In brown or black? That is reassuring.
The one I was talking about of mine was black, but in either I’ve found the behaviour the same. The material, the texture, also feels like it encourages some wear like that
Simon, after some more reflection, I ended up purchasing your tote in brown. It was a hard choice at first but then felt that brown would work better in summer. Thanks again and have a pleasant evening.
Pierre
Thank you, I hope it serves you well
Hi Simon. Are the straps long enough to be carried on the shoulders? You’d need to fit your hand into the strap and carry it on the shoulder.
Just about, but that’s not what it’s designed for and I never do.
Dear Simon
This is a beautiful bag and I have admiring it for many a moon. I think I am pretty close to pulling the trigger, but would just like your thoughts on how this would compare to the Bennett Winch Tote? This bag would primarily be used for work, matched with suiting.
Couple of differences in the type of leather and the zipper enclosure which I think are down to an individual’s preference, but would be interested in your thoughts given your familiarity with BW.
Regards
AK
BW is great, but that bag is much more a casual, less elevated piece. The canvas is tough but it’s not luxurious or as smart. Personally I think this would be a better match for tailoring
Thank you Simon. I was specifically comparing this to the BW leather tote (sorry should have been clearer), agree the canvas is not the right comparison. One of the questions that I need to answer is the zipper enclosure – I travel on planes a fair amount and it is always helpful to keep things all enclosed.
Regards
AK
To be honest I never miss the zip. But then small valuables of mine are in that smaller zippered compartment
If it helps – I have the black tote and, while I really do love it, I agree it’s not ideal for business travel by public means. The interior zipped pocket is large and keeps all small items safe, but if you have, say, a laptop, important paperwork + other valuables then it’s a bit more of a concern.
It does have the benefit of collapsing down to fit into smaller spaces as it is unstructured, though.
My recommendation would be to look at Frank Clegg’s commuter tote, which is what I use for business travel. It has a full zip across the top, interior pockets (one zipped) and a detachable shoulder strap (if that matters to you). It’s also more structured and so you can much more readily carry paperwork, etc.
I don’t have the BW tote, but have handled it in person. Lovely bag, but I love my Frank Cleggs I’m afraid.
Hi Simon,
on the shop page it says „It has a 3M treatment that makes it water and oil resistant, and virtually impossible to stain.“
Could you find out if this treatment contains PFC/PFAS?
Best
j
This was covered earlier, and no it doesn’t
Thank you, search function did kot find PFAS or PFC.