Suits and shirts: A sliding scale of formality
We haven’t done one of these in a while, but a reader requested one in a comment on the ‘How to pick shirt fabric’ article, and it reminded me how useful people find the sliding scales.
The idea is we break down two categories of clothing in terms of how formal the types are, and then pair them up, helping readers understand what contributes to formality and how the two go together.
The first one back in 2008 looked at trousers and shoes. It broke down the different types of trouser material from worsted to denim, and suggested what types of shoe - from an oxford to a deck shoe - were most suited to them. When you’re first starting out, formality ideas like this are often a good thing to work through.
There was an update to that piece in 2022, where we expanded the range to look at shoes and tops alongside trousers. And there was one on hats and coats, plus of course the related ‘Which office are you’ series.
Formality is only one small part of what makes clothes go well together, but as that recent comment showed, it’s one readers still struggle with. So here’s a new one - as requested - looking at shirts and suits.
Below is a basic categorisation of different suit materials, in order of formality. Then there’s one of shirt fabrics, again in order.
Following this we have a matching of the former and the latter, using their numbers and letters to show which goes with which. Then there’s the wonderful world of all the many and varied caveats.
Suit materials
- Superfine wools / mohair
- Other smooth, business worsteds
- Serge / coarser worsted / high-twist wools
- Flannel
- Linen / smooth cottons / seersucker
- Corduroy / tweed
Shirt materials
- Superfine cottons / silk
- Poplin
- Twill / cotton/linen
- Linen / brushed cotton
- Oxford
- Denim / Chambray
Suggested combinations
1 : AB
2 : ABC
3 : BCD
4 : BCDEF
5 : BCDF
6 : DEF
So this pairing suggests that a suit in something sharp like a superfine wool or mohair (1) is best matched with either a similarly silky shirt material (A) or a cotton poplin (B) - probably the smartest of cotton shirtings.
If any of these terms aren’t familiar, by the way, they are all explained in the Permanent Style guides The Guide to Suit Cloth and The Guide to Shirt Fabric.
Unlike previous articles, I’ve done these combinations by matching each suit to several shirt fabrics, showing the range of suitable options. This could of course be reversed by starting with the shirts.
This is a more helpful way of explaining things than trying to match one for one, I think. It also shows how little of this is a question of hard lines - everything is rough and, at the edges, sometimes a question of personal preference and style.
Now the caveats. The big one is that there are lots of subtleties and sub-categories that we cannot include without the list becoming unmanageable.
A royal oxford fabric, for example, is actually very smooth and smart. ‘Oxford’ just refers to a weave, and what yarn you weave it with makes a big difference. But we cannot include more without the list losing its ability to communicate.
And anyway, the point of the article is not for readers to go away and use this as a checklist to literally pair each fabric together. Instead, it is one way to understand the principles of what makes something smart or casual - its smoothness, its texture, its shine - and then apply those to any such combination.
It doesn’t matter that royal oxford isn’t in the list. Because once a reader understands the existing pairings, they can look at a royal oxford and see how much smoother and finer it is than a regular oxford, that it’s probably nearer to a twill in terms of smartness.
Here are some other useful caveats:
- Colour and pattern make a big difference to formality obviously, and we haven’t covered those. More colour and more pattern are generally more casual
- The same goes for design. A spread collar is smarter than a button-down, a double-breasted suit is usually seen as smarter than a single-breasted
- The list doesn’t include jackets, but it wouldn’t be hard to do something similar. I might put wool/silk/linen alongside serge, for example, and cashmere alongside flannel
And some observations:
- Linen suits I find interesting, as they seem to have the widest application - I’d wear everything with them from poplin to denim. Perhaps it’s because linen feels like a material that is trying to be smart, but just has to make sacrifices for the heat
- Season is another variant not considered here, and is the only reason I wouldn’t pair a linen suit with an oxford shirt - just because there isn’t a summer version on that formality level
- Associations like this make such a difference. For example, we associate barathea with a dinner jacket, and perhaps covert cloth with country clothing. Yet the latter is in some ways a smarter material, given its sharpness
- By ‘smooth cottons’ I basically mean, not corduroy. As with everything there are many sub-categories we can’t include, such as moleskin, brushed twill cottons and so on.
- To me the separation between poplin and twill shirt fabrics is understandable but sometimes unhelpful. Both vary so much in their fineness, as well as colour, pattern and so on, that it’s something I’ve found readers get too hung up on.
I could go on, but that would take away the fun of letting readers pick their own holes in all of this. I’m looking forward to it. I think.
Good morning..article packed with important information but it’s still winter I will comment in May 2025….Simon it’s cold here in ny..everyone stay warm..peace and cheers..
Interesting that flannel emerges from this particular study as the most versatile of suiting cloths. That chimes with my experience, can truly do it all
I would argue that most of folks today including myself don’t really know about the difference between poplin and twill and when and how to pair it, but rather trying not to miss colours and patterns clash too much to make an sore eye.
Also,working in a school as a teacher I find myself leaning towards more informal spectre of materials and combinations because I feel afraid to go anywhere near wearing superfine cottons and superfine wool suits or even a white shirt which would make the outfit too formal for my occasions.
Also I am sorry to see how we lost ability to wear ties and bowties in everyday environment and there are no more discussions how to pair those with the rest of the outfit,let alone pocket squares.
Thanks for great article.
Thanks Ned. I can certainly do something on more casual ways to wear a tie at some point if that’s helpful. We also take every excuse we can to wear one for a dinner or other evening events!
That would be a good article.
Ways to wear a tie casually – yes, please!
Yes please indeed! And closely related… “How to dress like Jake Grantham.”
Tripling down that this would be very useful!
Perhaps a broader look at wearing “silks” more casually as well, separate from an article on the various kinds and casual uses of ties, but looking at scarves, pocket squares, neckerchiefs and the like for casual (more frequent) application, even a discussion on tying Hermes scarves and twillies to bag handles (for men), and how to do it without coming off as doing too much.
Thanks Greyson.
As an American lawyer with Ivy leanings I’d be remiss if I didn’t add that a good Oxford is fair game here for any level of formality short of eveningwear. My usual court dress is a worsted or high twist suit, a white OCBD, and a tie with a conservative pattern or a black knit or grenadine.
Thanks AK. I think that’s a good point and brings in my point about associations I think. Also, about colour (white the smartest) and about types of oxford as well (smoother or not)
I’m a Viennese lawyer and it’s interesting how differently I see it. In court, I would only wear a charcoal or dark grey suit with a white or light blue poplin shirt and a tie (like nearly everybody else I know).
For me, a button down shirt and a tie are mutually exclusive.
All (each and every) of my shirts are button down with french cuffs. No exceptions. A dinner jacket will be paired with a button down shirt with french cuffs. A flannel suit will be paired with a button down shirt with french cuffs. The variations are only in the fabrics. I like it, it is my style.
Here one photo of me wearing a linen button down shirt as an illustration that wearing a button down shirt makes me being poorly dressed, under-dressed, and a horrible human being.
Sorry for the poor resolution.
The bespoke Biagio Granata suit is made out of a heavy coarse fresco. So it is a 3 paired with a C.
Just to clarify: To an American, a “button down” shirt means that it has a buttoned-down collar. The photo you provided suggests that your shirts simply button down the front, as the collar does not appear to have a button at each point. Is that the case?
Hi Jules,
the shirt on the photo with the bow-tie has a buttoned-down collar. The fact that this is almost not noticeable on the low quality photo, demonstrates how subtle this detail is.
You might get additionally confused because my collars are wider spread than traditional button down collars.
Well I guess we agree to disagree.
Further, refererring to your photo, I would only wear a black bowtie with a smoking (black tie) and a white bowtie with a tailcoat (for a Viennese ball where black tie is sometimes considered too informal) plus black patent leather oxfords in both cases.
A black-tie shirt is rather peculiar and not a button-down. A white tie shirt is very peculiar and certainly not a button down.
I guess ruffled front black tie shirts exist in order to enrage people. 🙂
For me a ruffled front is too extreme, so I wear button down with black tie and feel amazing.
Yes, I can see that. But a black-tie shirt does not have to be ruffled but can be more modern. See e.g.
https://www.etonshirts.com/ch/de/product/pique-black-tie-shirt
I strongly agree with the last sentence. Purely a personal view, of course, but there is something about seeing those two little collar buttons and the associated roll together with a tie that just screams “No, it just DOES NOT work”.
I think that mine is an EU-centric view. In the few times anyone wears a tie in the US, it’s really fairly common to see OCBD and a tie together.
Simon wears a knitted tie with his oxfords – see “when to wear a tie, personality and opportunity”. I’m not suggesting Simon should be the final arbiter on what’s acceptable, but I don’t agree with your screaming comment – rather the effect, context (eg not in court) and formality you want to achieve. For me it can provide an opportunity to wear an appropriate tie without looking overdressed. Many thanks.
It’s a matter of local visual language! The Brooks Brothers shirt is deeply embedded in classic American tailored aesthetics. See for instance Robert Mueller, who is always dressed in perhaps the most classic American style.
Obviously it wouldn’t fly at a London firm, but I prefer to align my dress with the American style. Ivy and Old Hollywood and so forth.
A button-down shirt worn with a tie is completely acceptable in the US, and utterly unacceptable anywhere else in the world.
I’ll respectfully disagree. I practice daily in NYC courtrooms and an OCBD always stands out to me as “not right” for courtroom attire. Buttondown collars on a smoother fabric hit that old-school Ivy note for me, but something about the texture of Oxford cloth, combined with the softness of the OCBD collar just strike me as out of place with a suit and tie in a courtroom, though I love them dearly in other contexts.
Thank you Simon for this article and for the previous encouragement on considering a nice grey or black/white herringbone jacket which leads me to the next question.
I am considering a sturdy shirt in the palest of pink, ideally from the Thomas Mason Royal Twill series, conferring some measure of strength with a medium weight fabric but what colour of tie would suit pink with a grey herringbone. Black may be the default, or gray but maybe a bit boring. I like the Forest green, olive or brown stripe ties, courtesy of Shibumi which has an exquisite style in my opinion but would the Shantung fabric be too casual?
I’ve read some of your previous articles on shirt and tie fabrics and styles that have been very helpful.
I think all those colours would be nice Lindsay. Shantung would be quite unusual though, I’d stay with knits to start with and then try a silk now and again. As ever, try to think of the outfit as a whole, what looks best there, rather than focusing in on specific items
Great help as always,Simon!
Many thanks
Lindsay
Amazingly, Shibumi also do plain but very beautiful ties in a multitude of colours in an unusual fabric called Japanese Ramie which is supposedly much stronger than cotton.
Here’s their description which I enclose.
I think that they are very attractive and I’m very tempted indeed to buy one.
Yes, I really like ramie, particularly in shirts as an alternative to linen. I’ll just post my warning again Lindsay – make sure you like the look with the outfit overall, rather than just focusing on an unusual fibre!
Got that excellent advice!
Last thing I’d want is an overall look ruined by an ill thought out decision on one specific item.
Many Thanks again!
Lindsay
Good evening dear friends, happy 2025! A few weeks ago i received from my local tailor a cream db worsted suit (Loro Piana, 280 gr). So, i made a very light pink shirt from a superfine cotton fabric by Alumo, to match with. Also found a burgundy with white polka dots Shantung tie (7fold, unlined). Despite the contrast of the textures (which i am not a fan of)), it pairs with the shirt perfectly! Although almost all my ties are boughy from Shibumi, this particular one is from F. Marino, Napoli.Check it out, its worth it.
Hi Dimitris,
Tremendous and many thanks for that!
Lindsay
Sounds lovely!
Thank you Alfred!
Where would you place a relatively formal navy hopsack blazer? With patch pockets and brown buttons. Maybe B-F, and even E
Yes, that would be quite versatile and I’d say B-F potentially
I wear mostly flannel and fresco (3+4) and pair them mostly with linen, brushed, and oxford shirts (D+E).
Thanks Simon – I love these ‘sliding scale’ articles!
I may have missed it, but I’m interested to know more about your suit labelled ‘Flannel : Poplin’. Eg maker and cloth.
Thanks and Happy New Year!
Thanks, nice to hear.
That’s my green flannel I had made by Ollie when he was at Benson & Clegg
Simon – do you think you might some time do an article on winter coats? I know you did a piece on duffels though not a comparison of kinds but I at least would benefit from a broader survey, and I suspect others would. (I wish there was more in the way of hooded coats that look reasonably neat (though not business-y_
Hey Thomas,
We did do a comparison between different kinds in the Coats chapter of the Wardrobe Building series here. Could you take a look at that and let me know what else you’d want out of this comparison piece?
Hi Simon,
Would you mind sharing which navy blazer you are wearing with the blue chambray shirt. Do you recall the fabric mill name?
Thanks
Rupesh
It’s not a jacket it’s a suit – H&S cotton, covered here.
Interesting that you wouldn’t pair a non-corduroy cotton suit with an OCBD, as to me that actually seems like the most natural pairing. Is it because the materials are too similar?
Good point Ryotaro, that’s an oversight – I was leaving that combination out because of the summer options in that category.
Having said that, smooth cottons like the navy suit shown are a little smart for some oxfords I think. Particularly when they’re new, so no fading, dark etc
Ah yes that makes sense, thanks Simon. I guess this is where your caveat about color and design comes into play. I’m thinking about commissioning a Neapolitan-style brown cotton suit, which seems like an easier match for OCBDs than something smarter like your (I believe French?) suit.
Yes it is, and yes you’re right that would be easier
Speaking of jackets, where would you put a hopsack blazer? Alongside serge, perhaps? I feel like it’s close to the versatility you mention with a linen suit.
Someone has actually already asked that above, FS
Would an oxford shirt like your PS Oxford match with high twist wool suits?
I think it’s on the edge. I might do so but only in white, so the smartest among colour options
I believe a silk shirt would sit perfect with mohair, worsted, flannel, corduroy and linen. Why wouldn’t it? It’s either in great harmony or stark contrast.
Well, in general these guides are aimed at people that are starting out and want things more in great harmony rather than start contrast. You can wear a cream silk shirt with jeans and it can look great, but it’s not what I’d advise people to do when they’re first exploring this area.
In general readers are also looking for things that are a little more conservative and ‘just look well dressed’ rather than slightly more showy style
Re a comment above, an OCDB worn with a tie and suit used to be standard issue in the USA. Not sure if that still applies.
Hello Simon, do you recall what bunch that High Twist Linen DB suit is from? I want to commission something from The Armoury for the summer and that looks lovely. Thanks!
Yes, it’s the Ascot bunch from Drapers – details on the original article here
Slight suggestion for future articles using this letter/number combination system (which in itself is a great starting point for folks). Putting a (very nice) picture between the definitions, and recommended combinations, makes it so even on a 15.5in screen I’m having to scroll up and down to pair definitions with recommendations. Preferably for mobile/desktop reference, these would be visible at the same time and so more easily compared as you scan back and forth. Potentially only a personal tiny ergonomic annoyance, but isn’t that often what custom tailors are so obsessed with (the smallest and most personal of ergonomic annoyances).
Thanks, no that’s useful feedback. I separated them because I try not to have too large a block of text, but I can see that would have been more practical
Hello, Simon. At the article thumbnail photo, the one shown in the list of articles, you wear a linen-ish suit/jacket in a brown-ish colour. Can you please point me to that fabric and an article where you discuss that item? Thanks!
Sure Stephan, that’s my Armoury suit
I am very grateful for this article. First I didn’t think you would provide it so soon and second it contains everything I could ever wish for in terms of this topic.
Now this has enabled me to create a target list of shirts (whether existing or not) for me that will suit my tailoring wardrobe, containing tweed, flannel, worsted, high twist, and summer jackets. It turned out that oxford, cotton-linen and linen are all I need in terms of shirts. In terms of collars it is mostly spread collars (I have a narrow face and use every opportunity to wear a tie), some button down for more casual dressing and a point collar for more formal events maybe.
How about these for shirts?
corduroy shirt in navy with a button down collar;
OCBD gingham check navy/white;
oxford spread collar in white, maybe ivory;
oxford spread collar in blue;
cotton-linen spread collar in blue;
cotton-linen point collar in white;
linen blue-white stripe with a spread collar;
linen with button down collar in white.
Whenever one of my current shirts gets terminally worn out I will replace it with the one on the above list that is most useful, i.e. it serves in a way that is not being covered by any shirt I already have.
The shirts sound nice, but I would generally avoid spread collars with oxfords, or at least only a moderate spread, or only smarter oxford cloths.
OK, I see, so again I have learned something 😉
Thanks!
Hi Simon,
These are my combinations (note: all shirts come with spread collars) Most of the time I don’t wear a tie so a pocket square is a must for me. Please feel free to correct me if I made any mistake Simon.
Suit material : shirt material
High-twist wool / LinenHigh-twist wool / Cotton poplin Linen / LinenLinen / DenimLinen / Cotton poplinSeersucker / LinenSeersucker / cotton poplin
All materials above are perfect for summer or for someone who lives in a tropical country like me. Not sure how to dress up in winter though.
Perhaps you could help me to choose the materials for my double breasted overcoat, suit, and shirt for winter (Note: I am planning to wear a Charcoal grey double breasted overcoat. And this will be my one and only overcoat since I don’t really have to deal with winter. Scarves only, no tie as usual)
Best regards,
Iqbal
Hey Iqbal,
I think you can map those combinations to my list right? Let me know if anything there wasn’t clear.
Why do you find it harder to dress up in winter? You mean similar suit/shirt combinations
Hi Simon,
Unfortunately no, I don’t really understand the combinations of your list due to lack of my understanding in English. My apologies.
But these are my combinations so far, let me know if I made any mistakes. (see picture below)
And yes, I find it harder to dress up in winter due to my lack of knowledge of materials that are suitable for suit/shirt combinations during winter, especially if I want to wear a double breasted overcoat made of wool.
Ok, understood. Those combinations look fine, and have a look around other articles as regards winter clothing and coats and drop some more specific questions as comments when you have them
It gives me joy and sense of relief that these combinations of mine are okay. Thank you.
Hi Simon, I had missed those articles. Thank you for this one. Tell me, what about “high/low” dressing? Isn’t the point of it, as you often wrote, to mix different elements on contrasting, even opposing scales of formality? In other words, how to break the rules?
It is, absolutely, but that doesn’t mean anything that didn’t go together suddenly goes together! That’s what makes it interesting and tricky.
I do talk about that in our high/low article, in case you missed that one
Hi Simon,
The thumbnail picture for this article (from the PS homepage) has you in a linen(?) jacket with white polo. Has that suit been covered previously?
Would love to read more as the texture and colour looks to be what I have in mind for a future commission.
That’s my Armoury suit with a white linen shirt
Hi Simon, where would a needle corduroy shirt fit on your list?
Also, would you wear a tie with a cream corduroy shirt with a point collar? If so, what type of tie would you choose?
Many thanks,
Jack
I wouldn’t wear a tie with a cord shirt really, I find the cord too ‘sticky’ with all its texture.
I’d put a cord shirt as roughly equivalent to an oxford, but it does depend a lot on colour
I see, that’s good to know, thank you.
If I may ask one more question, what kind of shirt would you choose to wear with a wool/cashmere DB jacket and a grenadine tie?
Lots of shirts! Honestly Jack, it could be quite a range. I’d start with a poplin or twill, but could go more casual as well
Hi Simon, Great article, this serves as a good starting guide with my pairings.
I would like to ask if it is a wool-silk-linen blend, where should it sit? (It is N763020 from https://www.senszio.com/loro-piana-proposte-giacche-ss24-suit-jackets/)
Moreover, would like to know more guide on how to develop combinations with this particular fabric.
That will be fairly smart, but I’d likely wear it with everything from poplin down to smarter denim, excepting heavier oxfords for the weather.
The fabric has some blue in it, so I’d start with pale blue shirts and blue/white stripes. But some creams and yellows could also be nice, alongside white of course