The versatility of olive: Anthology MTM in PS/Fox flannel

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Wednesday, November 27th 2024
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By Manish Puri.

I’ve had my eye on a dark green suit for a long time. So when Simon very kindly offered me a length of the olive flannel that he’d collaborated on with Fox Brothers, I jumped at the chance.

To give me an idea of what I was in for, Fox Brothers sent me a large swatch alongside ones of the black and brown houndstooth and the navy chalk stripe for good measure. I’m going to be honest with you - as Simon would expect me to be for any product - the green swatch was slightly underwhelming.

It didn’t help that the chalk stripe is essentially my platonic ideal of what a navy version should look like, or that I’m a sucker for houndstooth - particularly one in such an easy combination of colours. Even then, the green - despite having the lovely finish of Fox’s classic flannel - looked a bit flat in comparison to the other two.

O ye of little faith.

The final suit delivered by The Anthology is superb, and I’ve found myself reaching for it every chance I get - on the recent WM Brown Tweed Rally (where it was the garment of mine that attracted the most interest), Saturday night drinks with friends, and even dinner with my lovely ex-wife (it has her seal of approval, even if I don’t).

The colour is spot-on. More than one person has said it’s a “perfect green” - neither too bright and jewel-toned, nor too rustic. Another friend described it as a “city green”, which I like. As Simon said when the cloth was launched, it is a little “muddy” but, without wanting to start the menswear equivalent of “the dress”, I don’t think it contains quite as much brown as you might think based on close-up shots like the one below - especially when you see it fully made up and worn in natural light.

The cloth excels as either a suit or a pair of trousers. I don’t think it works quite as well as a standalone jacket, but I find that to be true of most flannels. The depth and darkness of the green makes it really versatile - adaptable to both day and evening wear and to different styles of dress.

In the daytime, I wear it more classically: with a pale-blue shirt, a crisp white shirt or (as shown here) a pale blue-and-white stripe, finished with a navy or grey tie. (Forgive me if it looks like my tie was hastily tied in a pub toilet with no mirror, it’s because it was). Finished with some black shoes, I think the suit is sober enough to wear to an office - apart from those that still adhere to the strictest of business codes.

For a little more personality, and a smidge less formality, the green also plays well with denim and chambray shirts and autumnal colours like rusty orange, burnished red and ochre. And perhaps a switch to chestnut brown shoes or boots to keep everything earthy.

However, what’s surprised me most is how well this cloth works for evening wear. I would go so far as to say the green is quite chic and a little unexpected for a night out; more interesting than navy and less clichéd than black (with no offence intended to those that wear black - I sport it in the evenings plenty too).

I love pairing it with a fine black knit polo - the one shown is cashmere and silk from Saman Amel. As the polo has quite a soft collar I tend to wear it buttoned up so I don’t lose it under my lapels during the course of an evening. 

That’s not something I do very often, but, along with the belted trousers, I think it nods toward the 80s/90s Armani vibe that is so en vogue without mimicking it wholesale - my suit isn’t soft or louche enough to be confused with that look.

While hunting for an Armani reference image, I came across this screengrab in an old PS article by Simon about the style of Richard Burke (a character played by Tom Selleck in the sitcom Friends). The look is almost identical (although Selleck’s suit is more grey-green), and Simon notes “without the belt it would all be a little plain, but that belt draws it together”.

I’d say the same is true of my look too. The belt (an embossed croc with a polished brass buckle from Dylan & Sons) brings a little texture and shine to the sunken green. It’s one of the reasons that I went for belt loops - to allow me to wear the suit more simply (no tie, no pocket square) without sacrificing all points of interest.

Which brings me to the maker of the suit, The Anthology. Regular readers will know that I’ve been a happy customer of theirs since their formation. After some changes in physique and taste over the past couple of years, we’re updating my bespoke pattern which won’t be firmed up until their next London trunk show in early 2025. 

However, given how keen I was to get my hands on this suit, Buzz (a co-founder of The Anthology) suggested I try their made-to-measure. Indeed, that’s one of the key features of their MTM: the relative speed of service for trunk show customers. Where a new bespoke commission will take a minimum of eight months - three trunk show appointments, which take place every four months - a finished MTM garment is delivered at the second trunk show, i.e. after four months.

For readers that are really pressed for time and have relatively straightforward requirements, the finished garment could be delivered directly to you eight weeks after the measuring appointment.

This is something I took advantage of given how well The Anthology knows my body and preferences. However, the team were eager to stress that they would still request that the client book an appointment at their next trunk show so they could assess the fit and make any alterations to the garments or adjustments to the pattern - which is precisely what I did with my green suit on their recent London visit.

Return clients can then order future commissions remotely and expect delivery in around six weeks. In those cases, The Anthology team is happy to advise on cloth choice, and that’s something I think they do really well - not just what bunches they recommend, but what specific cloths suit your style and existing wardrobe.

The MTM fitting process begins by trying fitting garments that are broadly the same as their RTW single-breasted offering and typical of The Anthology house style: slightly extended and gently roped shoulders with a lower gorge on the lapel.

There are small differences between the RTW and the MTM fitting jackets. The latter is slightly bigger in the waist, as it’s more instructive to pin something closer to a customer than to have to imagine letting it out. Interestingly, the fitting garments also vary slightly by region: Asian fitting jackets are a touch shorter in the sleeve for example.

Having tried a lot of The Anthology’s RTW (my preferred jacket size is UK40/IT50), and recommended it to anyone that’s looking for a suit that’s a level up from my suits under £1000 article, I was pretty confident we’d get a good result. Having tried the fitting jacket (also a size 40) I became very confident. You can see from the photo how clean the front looked without any pinning.

And that’s a good barometer of whether to opt for MTM or bespoke: how does a fitting jacket (assuming one exists) feel? If there appears to be a lot of issues - collar gap, fit through the shoulders, balance, comfort - then bespoke might be safest. However, if the house block passes muster as a respectable fit then MTM could well be a good option. 

With the benefit of experience, I look back on my Suit Supply MTM days and realise now that the fitting jackets weren’t good templates for me. We’d size up significantly as my regular size was too slim, but that meant other elements were too big and imbalanced. They'd try and fix everything through the MTM system which (understandably) had limits on what could be changed, and while the final results weren’t terrible, it was also never quite right - like trying to ward off an invasion of fit issues with a potato gun.

Of course, it’s not always easy as a customer to make that assessment in the moment - especially if you’re new to custom tailoring. In those circumstances you’re really looking to the tailor to steer you in the right direction. Here I think it helps that The Anthology’s MTM programme is run by the same people that fit and cut patterns for bespoke customers - so they know exactly what their MTM can and can’t deliver. 

I’ve written before about the importance of trust in a client-tailor relationship, and how that trust can sometimes be cemented by being told “no”. I used The Anthology as an example of a tailor that I felt would give me the right long-term advice, even if it cost them a sale in the short-term. So, I’d have faith in them to guide me on choosing between MTM and bespoke too.

The Anthology’s MTM starts at £1750, and my suit is £1980. For reference, the bespoke starting price is £2850, and that price difference reflects, among other things, the extra handwork that goes into their bespoke garments.

So, having tried the MTM programme would I continue to use it, or would I go back to bespoke?

Had the MTM offering been available when I started commissioning clothes from The Anthology in 2018 I undoubtedly would have started with that. Today, however, I think I’d stick to their bespoke trousers - I’m supremely fussy about the fit through the crotch and seat, and the bespoke trousers have always been superb and well-priced.

In terms of jackets, it's not as straightforward because the MTM version is excellent - clean across the shoulders, comfortable in the back and elbows (two areas where ill-fitting jackets always bother me) and with nice shape through the waist. Having spent quite a bit of time and money refining my jacket pattern I’m minded to stick with bespoke, but it’s a very tough call.

The PS x Fox Brothers olive flannel is available here.

Manish is @the_daily_mirror on Instagram

All pictures of the finished suit in the main article by @JKF_Man, shot at The Torridon. Other images courtesy of The Anthology.

Other clothes not mentioned:

As I mentioned at the top of the article, I’ve wanted a dark green suit for a long time so I’ve added a few images from my “look book” below to serve as inspiration. 

Please note, none of these suits are made from the PS x Fox Brothers flannel.

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Amit

Hello Manish🕺Your dashing re-entry in your OLIVE: ANTHOLOGY MTM IN PS/FOX FLANNEL.

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Amit

Our friend Manish Puri frm Permanent Style London 🇬🇧 in his OLIVE: ANTHOLOGY MTM IN PS/FOX FLANNEL: https://youtube.com/shorts/C61XskcBNsE?feature=shared

Maurice

Very nice, but I find the 13-14 ounce a little light for my taste.
Here is a slightly heavier green from Standeven at 16 ounces.
https://www.standevenfabrics.co.uk/product/33019-autumn-green-plain/
The original authentic flannel at 18-19 ounces would be even better, that is the collection Fox should expand!

Andrew B

Hi Maurice

Thank you for signalling that bunch. I agree with you that Simon’s flannel is too light for my tastes. I would buy it otherwise as I love the color but I like flannel to be heavier and a bit more compact than the fox classic flannel.

I’ll look into that Standeven bunch as that is the kind of weight I like.

Best
Andrew

Ecnarf Nitram

The curious thing is that I have almost zero personal interest in suits and adjacent tailoring, whether bespoke, MTM or RTW, but I really enjoy reading Simon and Manish’s writings about them.

Carl S

I enjoy reading Manish. Also, he’s really handsome =)

Rags

The suit looks fantastic!

The Anthology has made me 2 jackets and 2 trousers. Agree that the team’s advice is great – they guided me towards MTM on all 4 commissions versus bespoke because apparently my body shape fits into their fitting garments really well. And the results show that as well.

AKG

Thanks Manish (and Simon) for the detailed article. Suit and the fabric looks great.

A quick question – given you have so many flannel trousers and suits, how do you find this relatively lighter flannel compared to heritage fox flannel or any other heavier flannel.

Thx in advance for your response.

With my best

AKG

Thanks Manish. Very helpful.

What size in Bryceland are you wearing? And did you get it altered e.g. sleeve length?

Kind Regards

Richard

Manish, I’m sure I’ve read it before but can’t find it… Would you mind sharing your measurements? I’m about to order a Brycelands OBD for the first time. I’m 6ft, 41in chest and 33in waist. I take a L in the PS OBD and the fit is fine but slightly big on the waist. Thank you in advance.

Rich

Looks great Manish and it definitely makes me want to move away from sharp “city” suits and tailoring to something more casual but still *perfectly* put together and effortlessly stylish (despite the amount of thought that’s gone in to make it look effortless!). Love it.

Jon

As with your excellent Cream Suit from Taillour, I’m thinking to myself – why do I like this so much and once again it is the lapel , wide and the slightly lower gorge makes the balance just right to my eye. Really lovely commission

Steve

Looks great on you Manish, and I love the E Type by the way!
Your comments on color are interesting. I think this shade of green works better when the wearer has darker/swarthy/olive tones than it does with paler/creamier skin tones.
Somehow the darker tone brings the green alive (in your shots) whereas the shot featuring Simon, (who clearly has a much lighter complexion), makes the fabric look flat and dull in my view.

Jude

Hi Manish
the suit looks great on you and I think the colour depth is wonderful and, as you are discovering, very versatile, and a better shade or tone of green than you had pulled together in all your inspirational screengrabs. A good choice. Love it with the black polo and accessories, very smart.

J Crewless

Awfully glad that more volume is returning to suits instead of the Gonad Stranglers which have been in for far too long.
Love the green as well. Very nicely done.

Looks great 👍.

Eric Twardzik

I’ve come to really appreciate dark, earthy green in tailoring. As a work from home weirdo that doesn’t ever have to wear a suit but sometimes wants too, I find it far easier to pull off-particularly in a casual cloth. I have a dark olive Brisbane Moss cord suit from The Andover Shop that’s become a favorite, and currently have an MTM double-breasted cord jacket in a dark green dubbed “caviar” from The Anthology in the works.

Robin

Always love Manish’s articles .
If you had wanted the suit made in a non-flannel (e.g. hopsack, worsted etc ) what cloth would you have chosen which approximated best to that colour ?

Martins

Is it 1750 for a jacket or a suit?

Jonas

It looks fantastic!
Would you mind elaborating on why flannel jackets rarely work on their own?

Jonas

Thanks! It makes total sense.
I guess one has to compensate for the relative plainness of the texture with something more interesting elsewhere, like the shape of the jacket itself or pairing it with cream jeans.

Tom

Love everything about this, Manish – the color, the nod to 80s/90s Armani, the Richard Burke reference, and the Guinness in the Highlands!

Would you say the Anthology and Fred Nieddu are your two go-to tailors now? Both have cut lovely suits for you. And I like the low-ish gorge on this jacket.

I got a chance to see the PS/Fox swatches in-person recently and am interested in all, when time/funds permit. The shades are perfect.

Dr Ankur Garg

Hi Manish,
As always, you’re looking fantastic! Like Jon, I’ve also been trying to pinpoint why I find this suit so appealing, and I believe it comes down to the broad lapels. If you don’t mind, could you kindly share your height and the width of your jacket’s lapels?
I recently had a jacket made with unusually wide lapels—4 inches, which is a bit bold for me. I’ve hesitated to wear it, fearing it might come off as too eccentric. (For reference, I’m 5’9” and 60 kg.) Seeing you pull off your suit so effortlessly gives me the confidence to reconsider. While I know I’m not nearly as handsome as you, it’s reassuring to see that bold lapels can still look stylish. Thanks in advance!

Rogey

Instead of eccentric, just tell yourself it’s interesting, a bit unusual, and wear it.

Andrew Poupart

That’s a lovely suit, Manish, and the Fox cloth is beautiful and does make up very well. I received my own commission in it a month or so ago, a double-breasted, ventless suit. I’ll be bringing it to Pitti in January, so if you’re there, too, we can compare!

Bjorn

This is a great inspiration!
However, I do have a technical question: A deep „dimple“ shows on the jacket‘s right shoulder in two pictures. I thought that this was a fit-related issue that should rather not happen. Could someone enlighten me? Thanks!

Ben

Not a big fan of this fabric. Doesn’t play well with light and lacks texture. Also skeptical about the versatility of the trousers as a separate. In almost every instance I can think of standard mid grey works better.

Simon Crompton

Standard mid-grey will always be easier and more versatile, but a subtle green like this will add something, in the same way the dark brown does. Less of a clean slate than grey

It’s the same quality and texture as other Fox flannels, in case that’s helpful

Matt

Manish, having done both, can you comment on the differences between MTM and bespoke? Obviously there are fit differences and I know the MTM offering has less (perhaps very little) handwork, but I’m curious how e.g., the lack of handwork translates to the feel of the garment. Do you notice less lapel roll, a big difference in collar fit, etc? Do they feel structurally (canvas, etc.) different? And how does the MTM offering stack up against “competitors” you may have tried like Anglo Italian, Saman Amel, etc.
I ask as someone who wants to do bespoke with The Anthology but simply cannot get to their trunk shows with the frequency that would be required.

Rob

Manish, lovely piece. Like you I was very taken by the colour when it came out. I’m interested why you feel it doesn’t work as well as a separate jacket. Is it a question of matching with other things/versatility? Thanks

Rob

Apologies, Manish. Should have read the others more closely before jumping in. Thanks

Scott

Your olive flannel suit is fabulous! I really like how dark it is and I agree that it is very chic indeed.

Mike

Realise that this comment isn’t for this post, but was hoping you could get back to the question I left for you in the recent winter ‘sizing advice’ post (I was wondering where you got the jeans you were wearing in the photos in that post). Thanks!

Raj

Beautiful suit and write up Manish. The black Alden’s look tremendous with the olive. How do you like your loafers to fit? I know Simon has written that he tolerates some heel slip for a good fit in front but curious your thoughts given the Van last seems to be tricky (for me at least)

Raj

Terrific. Very helpful. Thank you.

Leo

Hi Manish
The suit looks fantastic. Olive is truly such a versatile shade of green/brown.
I particularly liked the references you made to the choice between MTM and Bespoke. So much of what you said I found resonated with my journey in classic menswear.
The comments you made about MTM, in my view, were particularly relevant.
Being thoroughly informed about the advantages and pitfalls of MTM, can only assist the process. I felt your story went a long way to doing just that, so thanks.

Matt Spaiser

Great article! I am generally not a fan of olive suits, but this suit is undeniably well tailored and made of a beautiful cloth that looks great on you. I particularly like how this suit pairs with the black polo. Few suits could do it as well as this one does.

Kenneth

Good morning..my friend you are looking fabulous in your suit….you are a man who believes in looking good..keep it up..for myself I do not own any suits in olive for fall and winter..spring and summer??? YES….I will be wearing it May 2025..much cheers and peace

Alex

Looks great as usual Manish. A question for UK readers… how easy is the RTW collection to buy from the Anthology from the UK? With sizing issues and returning items, are they straightforward to deal with, and are there customs issues?

Mikkel

I always enjoy your articles, Manish.

“(it has her seal of approval, even if I don’t).“ I mean that is just great humor!

Lovely suit, lovely article. Seems like a wonderful fabric you’ve curated Simon.

Alex

Lovely. Absolutely lovely. I must agree with the “perfect green”. I have some odd jackets that come close to this shade, but are just that touch lighter and stronger that I couldn’t picture them in a suit. This one though, it’s like the green equivalent of navy.

Also, long-time reader and first-time commenter on your articles here, I have to say, you really have a way with words! Whether “it has her approval, I don’t”, “TikTok […] only serves to louden the tick-tock of my diminishing will to live” in the Holiday Attire article, or “I spent all of 23 minutes mourning my loss before remembering that when God closes a door, he opens a tailor’s window” about the cream suit – witty, amusing, I love it! Always makes me laugh a little here and there.

m

Considering the look with dark polo and it being plain without a belt, what would be other options to add some interest to it, in case one doesn’t have belt loops. In the inspiration images everyone has a tie or handkerchief as accessories but in this case a tie is out of the question and a handkerchief alone might either not be enough or become too much of a focal point. I guess silk or wool scarf would be an option but any other ideas?

Simon Crompton

A handkerchief can be nice if not too much for the look you want.
A scarf is a nice option certainly, but also obviously you take off at some point.
Having sunglasses or reading glasses in the top pocket if you need them – don’t miss the opportunity basically.

There’s most on this in our article about wearing fewer handkerchieves by the way

m

What about polos with textured patterns, something like Giuliva Heritage makes or maybe a cable knit one. Do you think this kind of design would bring enough visual interest on dark polos into this combination or would it be too subdued and only obvious in more intimate situations?

Gus Walbolt

I love mossy green cotton, corduroy and flannel. For a pinch of color I will also wear it with pink or lavender shirts

Matt

Did you split the G on that pint of Guinness, Manish?

Alfie

Manish
Quick Q – have you tried out any Harry Mundy? Great style and I really like it.
https://harrymundy.com/pages/gallery

Diego

Hi Manish,
I’ll be honest—I wasn’t your biggest supporter at first. Having been so accustomed to Simon’s writing, the shift in style took me some time to adjust to. Initially, it felt different, and I wasn’t sure it resonated with me.
But after reading your recent pieces—especially this latest one—I have to say, I’ve had a change of heart. The quality has noticeably improved, and your voice has really grown on me.
So, for whatever it’s worth, I wanted to let you know that I genuinely appreciate your work now. Well done, and I look forward to reading more.
Cheers,
Diego

Peter

How do you find the bryceland’s OCBD’s, Manish?

Luke

Apologies if you plan on addressing this in your upcoming article Manish, but I was curious if you have any thoughts on the Bryceland’s OCBD vs those offered by Drake’s?

PS. Big fan of your write-ups!

Nicholas

Hi Manish, sorry but can I ask who made the grey ribbed socks? Thanks in advance! Have a great day

JB

Suit looks absolutely smashing.

Steven

The suit is lovely, and you wear it well.
Reading this was timely for me, as my next suit will be a casual suit (for summer, in linen) and I’ve been debating between olive and a darker-than-cream shade of beige like parchment. This article has pushed me towards the olive.