I think the short answer to this question is yes you can, but soft-shouldered jackets are easier and create a subtler look that most people prefer.
It is an interesting question though, and one that rarely gets unpacked effectively - usually all you get is the usual blunt and unequivocal opinions, with the definitive argument considered to be either a picture of a celebrity, or the evidence that ‘I wore it once and got a compliment’.
So let’s explore it with a bit more nuance.
A jacket which has a softer construction and a softer shoulder is inherently more casual, and is therefore usually a more natural partner for jeans, which are among the most casual of trousers. (I say ‘usually’ because there will always be other factors, most obviously material and colour.)
As men have struggled to adapt from the old suit-and-tie office look into something more casual, information like this has become useful, to help match jackets with jeans, chinos or other types of trousers.
Below is an example, of me in a navy tweed jacket, blue oxford shirt and blue jeans.
But just because those two go together most naturally, it doesn’t mean more structured jackets can’t work too. They just create more contrast between the two pieces, which is less subtle, a bolder look. They move along the spectrum of subtle to showy, something we invented a while ago to help understand this difference.
This bolder look is not what most men are looking for in my experience. That’s either because it doesn’t suit their personality, or perhaps because they’re trying to establish something that does work (and work easily) before they move onto more unusual looks.
That point about working easily is an important one. Because bolder looks like this are usually harder to execute - they require more aspects of the rest of the outfit to be correct. They don’t work with such a wide range of shoes, for example, or colours or textures.
A brand like Husbands in Paris makes wonderful structured jackets, and often shows them with jeans. But they are part of a particular look - the jeans are a specific cut, the shoes and boots quite a sharp style. It wouldn’t work so well with round, chunky boots - whereas a soft jacket could work with either.
I have a few structured jackets that I like wearing with jeans, but I’ve found similarly that I only like them with certain things.
I’ve attempted to provide illustrative examples here: in the top image of this article and in the image below, I’m wearing structured jackets with jeans. The top jacket is my navy hopsack from Paolo Martorano, the one below is my double-breasted navy wool from Ferdinando Caraceni.
In both cases I like the look, but I usually wear these combinations with a tonal knit underneath - in the top example, a Permanent Style Finest Polo, in the one below, a Rubato Non Pareil cotton.
If I wear these structured jackets and jeans with more normal shirts, such as a blue oxford button-down, the look doesn’t quite work.
In the image below I’m wearing the same Paolo jacket and the same jeans, but with a PS blue oxford shirt. It doesn’t look terrible, but I don’t think it looks particularly good either - if anything it looks a little ‘straight’, dull and non-harmonious.
I want to change the shoes, or the belt, perhaps to brown suede; but really the issue is the jacket: the image higher up of the soft-shouldered navy tweed looked better.
I also find that when I do wear structured jackets with jeans - even with a tonal knit or shirt - other aspects of the outfit need to be tuned in. As mentioned above, the shoes are better when they are slimmer, smaller, but there are other things too - the jeans look better with a clean finish, no turn-up, for example.
With a soft-shouldered jacket, on the other hand, the jeans could have a turn-up or not, be clean or faded. It’s a more versatile look, and so an easier one too.
This, by the way, is usually what people mean when they talk about ‘advanced’ dressing. Dressing that is harder to do because it’s more complicated, because you have to get more things right.
The black version of my Paolo Martorano jacket, above, also works with jeans. But much as I love that quite particular look, it is completely undermined if the shirt is white, or pink, or denim. It is also something very different, very showy, if the jeans are white; and it just doesn’t work at all if the jeans are blue.
There are good and bad things about these more unusual looks. On the one hand, they’re more interesting, less boring and everyday. They also tend to be more personal and expressive.
On the other, they’re harder to pull off and they date more quickly - the reason they often seem to reference a particular era is that unusual looks don’t tend to last that long.
There’s nothing wrong with either, of course, it’s just a question of understanding what impression you’re creating, whether that’s what you want, and if not how to change it.
I’m always interested in readers’ views and opinions, but I’m particularly interested today because these differences are ones I think it can be hard to articulate. If anyone else has suggestions on how to do so - the right words to unlock the impressions - do let us know.
Hello Simon,
Personally I don’t find your light blue jeans goes with a jacket.
Dark denim however works better. It goes quite well with the soft shouldered tweed jacket, but I find it my eyes it’s more about the casual structure of the tweed rather than than the construction.
The double breasted jacket is indeed a little bit more of a look, but I find it less discordant than the navy jacket over light blue Jeans.
Well, to be truthfull, I never found the structure of a jacket to make that much of a difference, and I prefer all my jackets to be more structured, even the casual ones (except for summer ones, but that’s not for smartness but because I’m abnormally heat sensitive)
Thanks for the view Jean
I think a jacket with jeans is a great look as long as the jeans aren’t faded .
However, In the very last photo I think you pull it off even with faded jeans but often men will end up looking smart on top and shaggy from the waist down .
P.S.
On a completely different point I note there’s been some ‘talk’ on social media about classic drape cut (which to my eye can come across as looking ‘vintage’ and being as extreme as the tight Italian look) .
I won’t name anyone but there are two social media ‘tailors’ pushing rather extremes . One a Spanish based very body hugging cut and another a Middle Eastern based very loose drape cut .(to both businesses I genuinely wish well )
The classic drape tailoring is being shown as trouser hems being 2/3 the length of a shoe , jackets that are much longer then contemporary , trouser waists reaching a man’s chest etc .
Simon , Could we have an article about this ‘classic’ drape cut and your thoughts ? Maybe something along the lines of what men should look towards so that they don’t end up with anything too ‘extreme’…for example , is 2/3 of shoe size broadly a good idea or would you personally adjust it if you pursued a classic drape cut.
I think given the move away from slim / tight fit by even the likes SuitSupply what are you thoughts on a ‘classic’ drape silhouette .
I know this can be a difficult topic for you to comment as some of these social media personalities are very loud and have an almost cult like following.
As a respected writer , Simon, I Look forward to reading your thoughts .
It’s a good point Robin, and yes something on that would be nice. In my experience those newer tailors tend to go too extreme with the cuts, sometimes to get attention or establish a clear identity
It’s probably not the right, specific word, but I think the word harmonious is generally appropriate.
Even if you break up an outfit (like a structured jacket and jeans), the result – at least in the context of this blog – should look harmonious in itself.
I came here to say this too.
I think you have to get several variables right to pull it off and create a harmonious outfit. Color, texture, silhouette, and style (both the level of formality and the overall aesthetic) all need to either work together or contrast in a deliberate way.
The blazer and light blue oxford example above is a classic mistake I often see in office settings. (An even worse — and probably more common — version is the smart blazer and white dress shirt paired with skinny jeans and Chelsea boots, with that loop awkwardly sitting outside the jeans because there’s no room to wear them over the boots. But I digress.)
In these cases, the colors and silhouette might work, but the texture and style clash. If these things aren’t considered from the start, the result ends up looking bland or mismatched.
So yes, I agree. It’s harder to get it right with a smarter blazer. Most casual wardrobes are built around more textured, relaxed items, and those won’t pair well with a tailored sports jacket unless it shares those same relaxed traits.
Thanks, Simon! Very interesting.
I think one of the challenges of wearing a structured jacket, not just with jeans but also with chinos, is that these more casual trousers are often cut slimmer than classic tailored suit trousers.
As a result, the legs can appear a bit too narrow when paired with a structured jacket. If the trousers have a slightly wider cut, a structured jacket tends to work much better in balancing the silhouette but (as written above) is then a very specific style.
It’s a good point Phil. Trouser silhouette can definitely make a difference, though I’d also avoid getting jeans in the same width or cut as tailored trousers, as that tends to look odd
Hi Simon,
I always thought you were a bit strict on your stance, that only Neapolitan jackets work well with jeans as I felt Florentine jackets worked just as well.
I think the only style that really does not work with jeans – and you would doubtless agree – is the Savile Row styled tailors practiced by the likes of Gieves, Huntsman, Dege and Skinner, and their autumn/winter jackets. Not because of the padded shoulder, but the heavy padding in the chest that looks odd unless button, which creates that really sharp V that is just incongruous with jeans.
Thanks Dan. I know what you mean, that definitely does help. It’s interesting though the jackets from places like Husbands come pretty close in terms of sharpness
I could be wrong, but the Husbands jacket looks more convincing with jeans than English tailors despite its shared V-shape due to the combination of 1) casual color in cloth and buttons 2) most likely a lighter chest and front torso from less padding in that area 3) dramatically wide lapels 4) open quarters ?
I actually do like English tailors like Huntsman, but it’s really geared towards a certain look, and looks absolutely bizarre with jeans.
I know what you mean Dan, yes those are good points
Really enjoyed reading this. Agreed with all of it, but I also think it can’t be overstated how important fashion cycles are in making something feel more or less appropriate.
During peak Neapolitan soft shoulder times, wearing a structured jacket with jeans seemed inconceivable. Now the structured jacket is slowly finding favour once again, such combinations no longer feel verboten.
Yes I agree Alex, good point
Too true. I once thought very harshly about it. It was like that orphaned jacket that’s so unmistakably part of a suit: a categorically bad look, found on the clueless wearer who doesn’t really care. And now it looks pretty fresh. Don’t tell me I’ll start to like pooling trousers next…
Alex this is a good point .
I also think that we’ve had an exhaustively long ‘blue’ period when it comes to denim and in my 60 years of ‘Flannery’ I’ve never known it last quite this long – me thinks we might be moving into an extensive trouser period. This would suit me fine – I’m a little fed up with jeans.
Also when a man or woman has the advantage of being somewhat statuesque, attractive, move well, etc. that they can get away with quite a range of fashions, trends and looks – that other figures might not get away with. When I watch movies from the 1970s or 1980s (any era really) when fashion was different than today, if the actor/actress was attractive and nicely proportioned, I’m less likely to be bothered with exactly what they were wearing and how they’re wearing it. I just think “That person looks good.”
Best,
Robert
Good analysis.
I’ve been wearing both structured and unstructured jackets with jeans for many years, and I wholly agree that what you wear with them is an important part of the overall look.
SB from the Row, with either flat gold shanked or milky mother of pearl buttons, white OCBD, faded (but NEAT) denims, cardinal socks with either snuff or espresso suede loafers.
Soft, unstructured linen or mesh, brown variegated horn buttons, OCBD or linen shirts in colours that compliment, slightly smashed up denim and loafers or sneakers (but NOT big clumpy trainers!) with hidden socks.
You then have to decide which to wear depending on the context. That in itself can be trickier!
This was an interesting article.
In both cases I like the look, but I usually wear these combinations with a tonal knit underneath – in the top example, a Permanent Style Finest Polo, in the one below, a Rubato Non Pareil cotton.
If I wear these structured jackets and jeans with more normal shirts, such as a blue oxford button-down, the look doesn’t quite work.
This is true but I intuitively would have thought that an oxford, being at the casual end of the formal spectrum, would have naturally bridged the gap between the formal jacket and informal jeans. But it just ain’t so and the tonal knits work better.
Yes, unfortunately these things are a little more nuanced than a one-dimensional spectrum unfortunately, even if that is a good place to start
This was very interesting! Haven’t worn a jacket with jeans since the nineties that I particularly liked. I never thought it was quite me.
You seem to focus on navy or black here. How would you approach other materials in other colours? Tweeds, linens, etc
I haven’t worn more structured jackets in those materials so much, but I do find my Caraceni yellow cotton harder to worn in these kinds of looks than darker colours like navy or black
These sorts of rules/style discussions, in my opinion, always boil down to “it depends”. The fit, colour, and materials all play a part in what works and what doesn’t. Of course, in the end, personal preference is always the deciding factor. This doesn’t pertain to this article alone but dressing in general. There’s so many different motivating factors in what people wear and why.
Simply, if it looks good (to you) it looks good. Rules should be set by the wearer and broken by the wearer. There’s no reason why a structured dinner jacket can’t be worn with light washed jeans if the cut of the jacket and jeans look good together. This doesn’t stop the next person over thinking you look daft, but why should that matter?
Thanks Robert. I think personally that outlook suggests that it’s all subjective, that there’s nothing useful that can be said about it for people to use in trying outfits, and I don’t think that’s true. It’s just subtler than the simple classic rules
I absolutely agree. My initial comment is my philosophy on all ‘Can you wear…?’ questions, which in truth, isn’t helpful to the discussion and paints the picture of a person sitting slightly outside the debate circle with a look of, ‘Why discuss this when the answer is simple?’ Very smug, although not my intent.
We all have a passion for clothing and I’m sure other readers, like me, analyse the details (e.g. trouser and shoe harmony) until you’re ready to head out, then after the fact thought of as some bits thrown together effortlessly.
Structured and unstructured both can look great with jeans. Discovering the particular combination that works for you that day is the fun of it.
Nicely put Robert
I’ve long been a fan of the combination, especially when the jacket is structured but in more ‘country’ materials like corduroy or tweed. Gives a very ‘dilapidated english rockstar at his country pile’ look that I can’t help but be drawn to, despite my better intentions.
On another note Simon, I realised we must be near neighbours after seeing you a couple of times around SE recently – how do you feel about readers saying hello out in the concrete world?!
Please do! It’s always nice
Hi Simon. Recently I picked up an ’80’s Chaps RL single breasted tuxedo jacket. (Stay with me on this ! )
It was quite creased but still in excellent condition. The fit on the shoulders was just right, and although not very structured it was certainly not soft.
I paired it with well worn blue 501’s and an old quite blue button down oxford – so not too much contrast. I left a couple of shirt buttons, (and the collar buttons), undone and wore a white t shirt underneath. Matt black snaffle loafers and a worn grey baseball cap completed the outfit.
(I found an old J Crew poplin button down bengal (dark) stripe shirt works well too , again this avoids having too much contrast between the jacket and shirt).
As you say it’s not about one particular piece but how it works with the whole.
Experimenting is the way, and it is a “bit of a look” but, I guess, that’s the fun of it ?
Absolutely
I really want to see a picture of this.
I’d say a big one is ‘softer’ details which can actually make a structured jacket ok with jeans – eg patch pockets, lower out point on a peak lapel etc. Some of the cifonelli blazers which have these kind of things work fine with jeans, even with a mega rope in the shoulder…
Thanks JL. Personally I’ve found those things are almost a little overrated in terms of their impact – as in, they’re nice to have and can make a difference, but if the cloth and cut doesn’t make it casual or smart, these things wont make it so
Hi Simon, do you think the choice of cloth might matter more than the structure of the jacket when wearing it with jeans? For example, I find English-cut tailoring in tweed seems easier to pull off with jeans than something like hopsack in a Neapolitan style.
Many thanks,
Jack
Yes, cloth is definitely important and probably more so than the structure, but it’s still harder being that structured rather than a softer make
Yes, I find that cloth makes a difference, also when we are talking about a Neapolitan jacket in a relatively smart cloth.
I have a navy covert jacket from Elia Caliendo (so soft shouldered etc.) that I like to wear as an odd jacket in the same way that Simon wears his Caraceni DB as described in the post (black jeans, dark knits) as well as with even more casual pieces such as olive fatigue trousers and a workwear-style chambray shirt. I think both times this works because the contrasts are deliberate and the look is still quite harmonious (covert cloth may seem relatively smart because it’s a bit shiny, but at the same time also relatively casual because it’s quite textured). But when I want to pair mid-blue jeans with an Oxford shirt and a tailored jacket, I tend to reach for my navy tweed instead.
The navy covert jacket is actually part of a full covert suit that looks especially great with long-sleeved cotton polos (probably for the same reasons that the jacket works well with dark jeans and dark nits, namely that the shiny fabric nicely contrasts with the matte cotton, while still being at a similar level of formality). But the suit also works with a shirt and tie. In my opinion, this suit is therefore a good fall/winter example of a “three-way suit” in that particular combination of fabric and make (though I rarely wear the trousers on their own, as I don’t really need navy covert trousers, and the jacket is subject to the limitations I outlined as an odd jacket).
Interesting, thanks Liam. I’d like to see the jacket some time
Credit for the fabric choice goes to Elia. I originally wanted a navy Loro Piana cashmere to add to my navy tweed (as in your standard recommendations). But Elia gently steered me away from this idea after hearing that my life often involves a rather direct transition between work and the playground. It turned out to be a great decision, especially because we also decided to add the trousers after seeing the fabric made up.
Seconded. Pictures please??
Perhaps we can take inspiration from women who seem to wear (non-neapolitan) jackets / blazers with jeans pretty easily. Indeed I see a lot of women wearing double breasted jackets in this way. The pairing that comes to mind is a fully fashioned t-shirt rather than a shirt.
Certainly, though always bear in mind people see women’s clothing differently, and as a result they can wear more unusual combinations more easily
I have two jackets from Pirozzi:
• one with spalla camicia in a 320g Loro Piana matte navy wool-cashmere blend
• one with ‘classic’ shoulders in a 300g VBC navy wool in a hopsack-adjacent weave
I find that the silhouette of the ‘classic’-shouldered jacket still works well with jeans—possibly even better—but that may be because the shoulder is nonetheless unpadded and unroped (and so still ‘natural’) even if the ‘classic’ shoulder is ostensibly smarter than spalla camicia.
Thanks. Yes I certainly think that makes it easier. The more rounded foreparts etc will probably help that too I’d guess
Given that wearing a structured jacket with jeans is always going to involve a marrying of clashing formalities, to my mind the successful outfits are the ones that appear very deliberate in their incongruousness, vs the less the successful ones where the incoherence might feel accidental. For example, because an oxford cloth shirt is closer to what you’d traditionally pair a smart tailored jacket with, its use here makes the jeans just feel like a mistake – “he ought to have chosen tailored trousers”. Whereas pairing a structured jacket with a knit feels like a deliberate tension is being created. Hence why the really extreme example of the washed-out faded band t-shirt with structured jacket somehow works: the decision to clash formalities is evidently very conscious.
Nice point Peter, yes I think you’re right – you basically want to head in the direction of showy on the subtle/showy spectrum, towards something that could even be seen as ‘high/low’
I love these comments guys – it’s so refreshing that readers actually inform what I and others think about these subjects because the comments are all so engaged, intelligent and experienced
I don’t know if it is related to where and when I’ve grown up but the jeans and jacket combo has been so common that it doesn’t even register on my radar as something to debate over. I’ve been so heavily exposed to this look on streets and media that comparatively wool trouser and jacket combo seems almost exotic.
I think it’s great that this pairing offers additional options for combination and also for some men an opportunity to wear sport coats when they otherwise maybe wouldn’t. None of the looks here offend my senses but then again I also don’t get particularly interested or excited by them, won’t be going to my inspiration folder. While I don’t care about jacket cut or denim fade that much, I do feel that t-shirts ( especially graphic ) and sneakers usually ruin the look for me.
One great example of this look could be Nick Drake on the cover of Five Leaves Left.
A few other readers have mentioned rock stars or the deliberate subverting of the smart jacket through other stylistic signifiers and I would agree. The “smart top/casual bottom” is too basic – essentially the generic ‘smart casual business travel’ look of many people you might see at an airport, from my experience.
You need some multi-dimensional graphs to really dig into the different factors at play!
Love this subject! Loved the article. Impressed by the depth of your insights and dissections as well. I think there’s boatloads of these hard-to-crack combinations floating around. And I so enjoy that we’re all on the hunt.
I guess the question becomes ‘how to find them? How have others gotten there….or theirs?’ I am of the school of thought that these sparks of sartorial gold have sprung up, and found their way to the surface, through people ‘cracking the code’ on their personal style. Hence the ‘theirs’ two sentences ago.
True authenticity is a compass that will lead you through treacherous grounds and uncharted waters. You cut right through the minefield. That’s why Hendrix was so cool, and reached so far. And let’s be honest, long guitar solos can be really tacky. But not with him.
Not to get too heavy into the personal style topic. But I do think it’s the way to find blueprints on how to wear structured jackets with jeans for example. There is so much to be said for study, in what I feel can almost be classified as a scientific manner. The disecting and uncovering of what works. (I think I likened you to a sartorial Buzz Lightyear… ‘to infi-knit-y and beyond’…not to long ago.) And I know how you experiment as well. But I also really believe that blind, almost ignorant focus on ‘who am I?’ will bypass so much of that scientific search…and lead to greater heights.
Someone like Girardo Cavaliere will probably unintentionally unlock a new combination somewhere next week. Playfully. Or in the same way that penicillin was discovered, by accident.
The saying ‘you have to be selfish in order to be selfless’ comes to mind. Ironically the personal and individual results add to the community as a whole.
Simon, regarding the paragraph: “In both cases I like the look, but I usually wear these combinations with a tonal knit underneath – in the top example, a Permanent Style Finest Polo, in the one below, a Rubato Non Pareil cotton. ”
These are not tucked in i guess, but just show a bit of belt. Do you struggle that the knit rides up to much an preveil some skin? How to you archieve this sort of perfectly length in the knit?
kind regards, max
Hey Max,
The short answer is you don’t really. I don’t tuck them in as I usually think that looks too forced, and they’re long enough that they don’t ride up too far. But I will occasionally pull the front hem up a little so it shows the belt – it will happen in normal life anyway some times, but this gives it a little helping hand
Just like T-shirts with tailoring, I think a structured DB works better with jeans than a SB. I have a grey herringbone tweed DB (similar to your Assisi but more structured) that works with jeans but an SB in the same style and fabric wouldn’t.
DB jackets have become more common, particularly among women, who wear them with a wide range of clothes, so that probably helps.
Beyond that, wider, darker jeans (indigo or black) are easier to pair with a structured jacket.
Another good point Noel, I definitely think that’s easier – perhaps partially because it looks more deliberate
I think it looks best tonally as you have said. Otherwise best to reference the punk and indie rock scene–inspired by Hedi Slimane as mentioned by your recent reader profile. I see younger guys doing this in NY sometimes with just a t-shirt, and in this context I think it looks awesome–check out The Dare.
It feels harder to pull off when trying to combine OCBDs, Aldens and other classics. Can sometimes feel like you are speaking two different languages.
I use a tailor who cuts a very structured jacket, and I find the pairing depends heavily on the cloth of the jacket (tweeds work best), the jeans, and the shirt collar (buttondowns or soft collars shine here). The bigger issue I have is that the structured jackets generally button a bit higher, whereas my jeans have lower rises, so when buttoned, a bit of shirt shows under the fastening. It isn’t much of an issue since I tend to not button them when wearing jeans.
I’ve talked with folks over the years about jeans and sport coats. I’ve just never found they work — or to be more specific, never work for me.
As you point out, jeans are an extremely casual article of clothing. Sport coats, on the other hand, are made to be dressed up. Unfortunately, when put together, the two don’t create that high/low contrast a lot of people strive for, same as sneakers with suits. The contrast is just too substantial; or, said more specifically, the outfit lacks harmony in that the elements do not have sufficient common texture or shapes and there is little to no repetition of elements, and little predictable or flowing rhythm.
I do think sport coats can be worn with chinos, so long as the chinos have a crisp line and aren’t obvious workwear (e.g., with knee patches or carpenter loops). That is a smarter and more obvious conversation.
Of course, different people’s mileage will vary, and I always enjoy looking at photos for design inspiration. One never knows where one will find it.
Sorry Simon where you say “In the image below I’m wearing the same Paolo jacket and the same jeans, but with a PS blue oxford shirt”, you seem to be wearing much lighter jeans in the image below than above?
Yes, I’m not referring to the image above, I’m referring to the other outfit with that Paolo jacket, which is the one at the top of the post
Perhaps because I have been doing it since my teens in the 90s, I find combining jacket and jeans quite intuitive. I’d say texture, color, cut and presence each must be considered, although not necessarily in that order, and, crucially, not too carefully. This is a look about tension, after all, and fussing too much can diminish its effectiveness.
An interesting question.
Unfortunately a lot of dark visuals don’t really serve the discussion. (exception Husband’s which is, as you say yourself a very specific ‘total look’).
Seeing something very structured from the likes of Chittelborough & Morgan or Sexton might have focused the debate better.
Personally I think it’s a very difficult thing to pull off but when it’s done right can be very effective.
I have a beautiful old cashmere DB which I occasionally wear with black jeans which works well for dining out in town but it’s quite a studied look and isn’t at all versatile. I never travel with it.
Yes, true David. I can use some more examples in the future perhaps. A Sexton or Chittleborough cut is harder still
My wife, who works as an editorial fashion stylist, has drilled one thing into me: attitude and personality count for a lot – more than most men like to admit. Sometimes, the style we’re drawn to just doesn’t work on us, even if we connect with it in theory.
It’s like Simon’s idea that you can (and maybe should) wear things you love, even if they’re not the most flattering. There’s always a tension between personal expression and the ideal of what works best on you.
A friend and fellow reader wears suede tassel loafers with flared vintage Levi’s and enviably looks completely natural and effortless. Another reader friend recently wore a cream double-breasted jacket to casual LA restaurant and looked subtly elegant, but not overdressed or costumed.
But as my wife has made clear: if I tried either, I’d look ridiculous. It’s not a reason not to try, but it’s sometimes a tough pill to swallow. When I look at myself honestly in the mirror with Belgravias on, on some deep level I know it just doesn’t work.
The things that truly suit you tend to just feel good. I think Andrew once wrote here that on him an unstructured jacket feels like he’s wearing someone else’s clothes. As you develop taste, you kind of begin to feel what suits you with your body, an intuitive knowing.
Fashion is often derided as being purely trend driven. But strong styling seems to be where an aesthetically good look, what suits the subject, and what interests the subject all overlap. Like the career advice given to young people of finding what you’re good at, what you enjoy, and what earns money.
When that’s there, the risk of looking dated, affected, or stiff kind of evaporates, even if you’re breaking the rules.
tbh I find that in my experience, material and colour make a much larger difference than structure.
One of my favourite jackets is a mid-grey woollen twill in a fairly loose, thick weave (like a tweed-like that’s as fuzzy as a flannel? I don’t quite know how to describe it) and even though it has very strong shoulders (padding, roping, the works) and quite a lot of structure in the chest, it works really well with jeans (IMO) because it looks not dressy at all. The colour isn’t business-like, the cloth isn’t business-like, it looks like it’s at home with jeans. In fact, I often find that chinos are too smoth to wear with it (while flannel trousers clash in texture). The details (three patch pockets, throat latch) help, but it’s imo the material that makes it work. Similar weight to jeans, too.
Strong shoulders are by far my preferred style, not least because my shoulders are fairly sloping, and I like a bit of structure on top to balance the entirely unstructured look of jeans, too. I believe what also plays into it is that the few remaining jeans I own tend towards the mid-high rise that just works better with tailored jackets of any shape. And jeans being heavier than most tailored trousers, the skirt flares a little more, and built-up shoulders and a structured chest help offset that in my experience, to avoid a bottom-heavy look.
So my answer to the question would be “it depends” (as always), with a side of “never say never”.
Hi, Simon: I am curious what your opinion is as to where partially structured jackets might sit within this conversation. WW Chan recently made a ‘cooler-toned; tobacco linen SB jacket for me in what they call ‘one-third structured’. So far, it has proven to be very versatile with indigo jeans. Do you think that this sort of jacket can bridge that gap between completely structured and unstructured in a way that works?
Yes, I think it becomes a little easier in proportion to that lack of structure. In the same way that a Florentine jacket is easier than an English, but not as easy as a Neapolitan, generally
Think a lot of this makes sense when you consider that lighter denim is (in theory) heavily worn denim. Obviously lots is pre washed and distressed, but the point is it’s intended to feel worn in and comfortable. Like something you’d thrown on without thinking too much. Similar to how you’d thrown on an old trusty knit, or a favourite band t shirt, or indeed an unstructured jacket.
As soon as you combine that with a structured jacket it just feels more deliberate and not a natural combo – which I think is where that “it’s a look” element comes from. Something being a look basically just means it looks deliberate, like you’ve actually tried to look like that l, or you’ve at least thought about it. Not necessarily bad, but not necessarily the goal for a lot of people.
As a side note, I’m super pleased that structured yet casual jackets are having more of a moment. It’s hopefully a time to appreciate the offering from Cordings a little more. Some of their styling has felt very old fashioned when compared with soft shoulder style of recent years.
Very interesting topic, Simon. Personally I believe the most important factor is the fabric of the jacket rather than whether it is structured or not. Tweed, flannel, linen, hopsack can work with jeans, while worsted jackets with jeans are an absolute NO! (Yet unfortunately a very common combination in office these days, paired with black oxford shoes, when executives try to look “cool” during company offsites or Friday casual)
Yes, true Gilles. Was hoping that goes without saying but I’m probably being too optimistic!
An architect friend talks about certain unusual aesthetic decisions working because they strike us as ‘deliberate’ or considered.
I take that as meaning we’re somehow more open to the striking, unusual or incongruous if we know it’s a conscious decision, and have had our attention drawn to it.
I think that’s part of the difference here. The structured jacket plus jeans only works in narrow, specific contexts because the whole look has to be thought through – and to be SEEN to be thought through. It’s all very deliberate.
Whereas the softer jacket plus jeans works well in part because it looks casually put together, intuitive, unthinking – even if it is actually just as considered.
Nicely put JH
Hi Simon, thanks for the straight and dull picture! Your outfits are usually so stellar.
I imagine that many of your readers, often find themselves in clothes that are not great but also not terrible. At least I do! Thanks for sharing this with us for a moment.
No worries Erik. I don’t generally like doing those – I always imagine someone re-using just that image and it floating around on the internet somewhere out of context. But I agree, it is useful
I agree that a structured jacket doesn’t naturally go with casual clothes. I can’t quickly throw them together and head out for the day. There is always some trial and error combining elements in front of a mirror. I have to deliberately put together an ‘outfit’. But it is very satisfying when it works.
I often find it a useful starting point to start with a completely casual outfit and then swap one casual item with a structured item. (e.g. an overshirt with a similar structured jacket). Or take the opposite approach and start from a classic formal outfit and perhaps swap a shirt for a similar t-shirt or trousers for jeans.
I usually find that it is only possible to swap out one item. I can’t combine a few structured/formal items with and some casual items and still retain a coherent outfit.
And I feel that smart/casual items like OCBDs, polo shirts, chinos etc usually don’t work. They don’t look right with a structured jacket but don’t create enough contrast to be interesting.
And lastly, for me at least, I find that the silhouette of the jeans is very important. I need them to be quite fitted around the hips and thigh but still have a good amount of width in the legs. Usually a classic straight leg fit like a Levis 501 works. I’m very happy to go with dark, medium or light rinse. Grey jeans are often great since there is an echo of a typical formal grey wool trousers. But the jeans do need to be relatively neat. Torn, vintage, faded denim is very difficult to match with a structured jacket.
Great piece and some fine ideas. But I’m not sure why you have restricted yourself to blue jeans and dark monotone jackets, Simon. After all, there are all sorts of structured jackets (a variety of light-weight tweeds in different colours and weaves, and certain suit jackets, to name just a couple) which can be paired with a variety of trousers — khakis, odd trousers of varous colours, cavalry twills, gabs, etc. When I travel (rarely these days) I tend to take one or two suits and a blazer and/or tweed jacket, and I often select those suits with a view to pairing the suit jackets with khakis, which is a look I quite like. There is a great range of possible combinations in colour, texture and material when you don’t restrict yourself to jeans and dark monotone jackets. I even like the extreme, almost transgressive pairing of a black or cream dinner jacket wth well-worn khakis or even jeans ( a bit like the Husbands photograph you include). Your thoughts, please.
This piece just isn’t about khakis or other trouser materials, it’s only about jeans.
Tailored trousers are an easy combination generally and we’ve covered them before. Khakis are harder but we should cover that separately some time
Part of it may be that your sloped shoulders (and lankiness) work to your advantage here. On you, a structured coat usually still has a relaxed slant and easy lines. On someone with squarer shoulders, structure tends to add blockiness, especially when the torso is not so lanky.
Interesting point, yes I can see that squarer shoulders may have the same effect with less padding
Great article. Very much agree that either can work but pulling off structured jackets with jeans is more challenging/directional and less ‘everyday’ versatility. I think brands like Husbands in particular have nailed the look of structured/sharp jackets with denim of all colours. Their denim is typically flared, which I think creates a great balance against their jackets that tend to be slim in the body and sharp on the shoulders. Makes me think that creating a balanced silhouette is just as important in pulling off this look as the colours and textures you’re combining. I wonder whether the Husbands look would be so striking if the jeans were straight & slim.
Agree Rob, those proportions work well. I find jeans that are straight and fairly smooth are easier too
Very good write up! I think the core is: If the jacket has a sharp silhouette the other pieces should reflect that (think of italian wholecuts instead of alden tassels). And because there is an unfamiliar contrast between jacket and jeans the outfit as a whole needs to be toned down regarding the colours and materials. Navy blue or black help to keep focus on the silhouette.
Hello Simon, really interesting article and many comments clearly written with a lot of thought. I’d like to add my two cents worth.
A jacket paired with jeans I’ve always found difficult, mostly because I am yet to find a jeans cut/style that I like; the silhouette difference between top and bottom never looks pleasing to my eye – yet I see many men for whom it does look good, so I know it’s possible!
That said, I find the key aspect is cloth and colour: I have a softly structured navy blazer in a very course hopsack that should work, but still looks like an orphaned suit jacket with jeans. Yet a more structured tweed jacket (that is actually part of a suit) in an earthy tone seems to work better. Likewise the jacket from a corduroy suit.
Now if I can just find the right jeans, I’ll be set!
There are deffinitely many aspects well described in the article as always. 🙂 I would say the most important thing is the fit of the jeans. If you get that right then the wash and amount of fading doesn’t really matter. I tend to wear jeans with my jackets to make the looks a bit more relaxed and anytime it felt off it was just because the jeans were a little too slim. I don’t have any slim or skinny jeans per say but even a slight taper from the knee down suddenly made the outfit look odd, especially with a structured jacket.
It’s interesting that when you talk about the Oxford shirt and structured jacket in the vicinity the picture of the Neapolitan jacket, you say the structured jacket is a bolder look. Further in the article, where the picture of the Oxford shirt and structured jacket appears, you use the word “dull”.
I personally don’t see a lot of difference between the two. Like it is the kind of thing you only think about if you have two navy jackets, one with natural and one with padded shoulders. But it’s not like you have to leave the jacket at home if you only have the second.
Maybe something with a lot of padding, that really squares up the shoulders, would make a bigger difference.
If anything, photos in this article prove that jeans doesn’t work with a structured jacket.
All of those looks are pretty off.
Maybe structured Glen check tweeds would work with jeans, but better to stick with a soft tailoring
A well timed article as I consider a MTM with The Anthology using the grey herringbone you’ve used with them in the past. My thinking is that it will be quite versatile and so can work with jeans but a question arises regarding buttoning point, i.e. I’d want a position that can work with the lower rise of trousers such as jeans (by which I mean avoid the dreaded ‘shirt triangle’) but that can also work with dressier and higher rise trousers. I know you tend towards a lower rise so perhaps not so much a consideration for you personally but how does one find “the sweet spot”?
It’s always going to be a compromise of sorts, not much you can do about that and I’d go somewhere in between. Though you’ll likely find you wear your jacket buttoned up with jeans less than with smarter things.
I found the term “advanced dressing” to be particularly useful in analyzing why some things work and others don’t. Although my particular opinion is, and it is no more than an opinion, of course one can wear jeans with a structured jacket. Generations of undergraduates at Ivy League schools have been doing it since at least the Sixties. But even in that rarified context, there are clearly “rules”. Would you wear the same jeans you wore to shovel out the barn, even if you owned the barn and it was full of thoroughbreds that your family bred and raced? If you were rich enough, perhaps, but for us mortals, the particulars of cut, shade, wear, rolled up or not, sometimes even brand (genuine Levi’s okay in the East, Wrangler not so much) matter. Would you wear a suit coat with jeans? Absolutely not, at least not an American typical business suit. Tweeds, corduroy, perhaps a traditional navy blazer, all okay, all in a natural shoulder American cut, of course. Then we have the shoes, and the shirt, and the belt, and the socks, and the watch, all of which were and are somehow coded. I was at a recent networking event of financial types in Boston, a very conservative place when it comes to men’s business dress. There were a couple of gentlemen of a certain age in tailored jackets and what I would call dress jeans, obviously high end fabrics and cut. They looked good. The shoes were loafers with horse bits on the vamp or Alden tassel loafers. They looked “dressed” but not forced or artificial. This is all very advanced, but when done well, looks good, flatters the wearer, and seems perfectly natural, not a costume or “look”. Great article to help me think through what I wear in differing contexts. As an example, in a previous article, you had mentioned taupe socks. Well, they actually work very well in the context of the entire outfit. I wouldn’t wear the same socks with a cap toe oxford and a suit as I would a boat shoe or country brogue. (I might have before you made me think about it.) As always, the multiplicity of points of view is enlightening and engaging.
Great read, Simon. Curious to hear more about why you feel the black jacket doesn’t pair well with blue jeans?
My best eBay find ever is a black wool/cashmere union-made Polo Ralph Lauren jacket (NWT for just $50!). It has slightly marked shoulders too, but I wear it constantly in the colder months, usually with black knitwear. I think it looks great with black jeans in the evening, but during the day I love it with washed blue denim (and black grain leather or suede shoes).
Generally black isn’t great with colour, so the more faded and less rich the blue of the denim is, generally the easier the combination is. At least that’s what I find. Maybe not bad with blue denim, but nicer the more faded it is
It is a question of personal preference I think. Which jeans and which structured jakcet? And how do this look together. Which situation are you going to wear your clothes. I do not think there should be general rules. For me this can look both good and bad, depending on what I said above.
How unstructured do you think the jacket can go? Would you have a light chest piece, or no chest piece? Fully canvased? One ply shoulder padding or no shoulder padding at all?
I feel that with no shoulder padding, and no canvasing, it isn’t really a jacket any more but would appreciate your thoughts.
I know what you mean, and the more you strip it all out the less it looks like a jacket, but even without those I’d still call it a jacket. Depends quite a lot on the make (bespoke/handmade would retain more shape) and on the cloth (something heavier, with more body, with feel like a jacket more. Jersey won’t at all)
Style obeys confidence more than convention, though some might say it’s a cheeky rebellion against decorum.
I am 78 and was wearing a tweed jacket with light jeans back in the 70s. Still do. No doubt influenced by Robert Redford in 3 Days Of The Condor. Still a classic look with a chambray shirt and chukka boots.
I think a structured jacket can work with denim but only with a dark clean denim. By clean I mean no rips, no holes, and no patches. I also think it needs somewhat of a more formal footwear such as a dress boot. I wear this look pretty often and it works well for me. I live in a major urban area but the dress code here definitely leans casual.
Great article! So in essence, tonality and a ‘dressed down’ shirt (like a knit polo) works for a structured jacket and jeans. Love the blue on black look!
It’s definitely one way to do it, yes. Though look at the other comments as well – some great suggestions in there
Maybe this works for some. The whole jeans and jacket thing I mean.
But why the tucked in dress shirt with jeans ?
I do not get or feel this combo personally .
Dress shirts, smart ones in a poplin or twill, shouldn’t be worn with jeans at all. When people do it it’s usually because they don’t have any other shirts or because they don’t understand that it’s a smarter one
How about a poplin shirt in a more casual pattern? Would that work?
Probably not, the material would still be quite smart
Also, what brand of jeans are the black ones you are wearing with the structured jackets. Any recommendations on great black jeans?
Article on all my favourite jeans here
Have you had any recent experience with Kilgour? Do you know what the quality is like in their bespoke, made to measure, and ready to wear offerings? Is it something one should consider compared to other British tailors?
I have no idea what’s going on with Kilgour to be honest Morten. They went out of business a while back and I don’t know what the current situation is. I’d be cautious of recommending them at all
I don’t think clothes date. Not because they are some “timeless classic” or other marketing bs. It’s just something you choose to wear. If you like it and wear it, it becomes yours. Sure, someone can say: “oh that’s so 70’s” like it’s a bad thing. But there’s no reason to care for it.
So you don’t think a top hat would look anachronistic now?
To be precise, I don’t think the top hat by itself is anachronistic. Wearing it with a full morning dress would be anachronistic, but wearing a top hat would be just bizarre.
But it’s a fair point. Obviously, it’s not a cut and dry kind of thing. Some things are more normal than others. I wrote this in the context of the articles, because I don’t believe that having a more structured shoulder is ever a dealbreaker. People don’t think about this that much.
Of course, you can take this further. There’s a difference between a somewhat-structured shoulder and a 80’s Givenchy pagoda shoulder. One is normal to me, other is very distinct. But I think a soft-shoulder suit done in red silk (or something else that would be worn in Scorsese’s Casino) would be far more dated than a structured jacket in grey, blue or dark brown.
Again, this is coming from a guy that dresses reasonably normally. So I don’t care much for looking a little dated, because the overall effect still doesn’t stand out that much. And I think Simon is in the same zone, so there’s no reason to worry.
Thank you Simon. A jacket over jeans with tan English shoes, tan belt and English shirt has been my go to weekend attire for many years. I was dismayed when I read a style article in the FT sometime back that a jacket over jean was certainly not the done thing. Your article has settled my mind, thanks.
Nice article. Because the structured blazer is such an anomaly in casual wear, it actually works quite well in a more hi-low outfit.
With Chinos, it could look a little too coordinated. With faded jeans and maybe high top canvas sneakers or work boots witha good patina, it’ll soften the severity of the cut.
Thanks Johnny. Interestingly, I’m with you on chinos being too coordinated, but would find high-tops or work boots pushing it too far. It’s a fine line
Hello SImon,
nice post and I think most people have had a go at wearing some of these outfits.
I think Brunello Cucinelli nails it quite well on soem of their look books that I have seen in the past.
Nothing too rigid, suede desert boots, nice detailing with shirting and lush knitwear.
There is a danger of looking like the bloke who has packed his jeans with his sandwiches for after work soirees with a jacket that is too structured !
That is an observation from an Italian female friend of mine who has impeccable taste I must add.
Thought provoking.
Thanks JR. Yes that Cucinelli look is very much in the soft-jacket camp, to the extent that the length and slimness almost makes them more like sweaters.
I love that description of the guy in the structured jacket. For me, it shows primarily how hard it is to get it right because most people get it wrong – hence the association
I found the comment by my Italian friend extremely amusing and frankly, accurate.
For me the name of the game really is perhaps more sprezzatura and less a full length mirror.
Perhaps a vintage silver necklace, proper shades and a good haircut adds that rakish charm. Which is what it is all about as this is not school uniform days, be approachable.
That , is another one of my friend’s quips …charming lass, no ?
Indeed
This is an interesting read. My only comment is that if I have £XX to spend on a jacket, and I would like the option to dress it up or dress it down with jeans, then a soft-shoulder option is the obvious choice. I only have so much money and therefore it just makes more sense and involves less risk.
What about double‑breasted jackets?
That is raised in the comments above Gennaro – easier in some ways as it is more deliberate
I would like to make jeans and tailored jacket to work. But its really hard I think.
As a middle aged man it typically looks Desperate Dan. It works for Simon though so why not me.
I would like to ask what is the verdict on grey jacket with dark blue jeans for office (in Stockholm)?
Hey Simon,
I think that can work really nicely, it’s just a question of the right pieces – eg a mid-grey herringbone tweed, dark jeans and dark brown or black loafers or boots for example. And a casual, shirt, like perhaps a blue oxford.
Search for ‘jacket and jeans’ on the PS site and you’ll find lots of ideas
Thanks,
I should give it a try. An Anglo-American autumn!🤠
Another (minor) consideration I’d throw in is how broken in the jacket is. With age things sag and crease and structure loosens a bit. Some jackets more than others. I’ve got a structured Shetland tweed which didn’t quite work with jeans when I first bought it. After two or three years of wear it now goes ok, though if recently pressed, less so. Perhaps ten years hence it will become tatty enough that it wouldn’t work with creased trousers, and only with jeans or workwear style chinos.
I have tried wearing structured navy jackets with jeans (perhaps because these two of the most common items in a man’s wardrobe) but I have found the overall look to be mismatched and “lazy” — not effortless, but lazy.
Hi Simon
An unrelated post but was wondering if you could help.
I’m 58 and looking to buy a dinner suit for a colleagues 40th birthday celebration. She’s Spanish, working in London, and has arranged a super glam birthday in Madrid with family and friends.
It’s a black tie and cocktail dress theme. I would like to upgrade my pretty standard black tie and have a budget of £800- £1000 so it would have to be ‘off the peg’ with alterations.
I know it’s not a huge budget but wondered whether you had any thoughts.
Thanks so much.
Hey Gary,
No problem, happy to help.
It’s not an area where I’m an expert, but my starting point would be Manish’s article on suits under £1000, and see who there does a dinner jacket.
I can very much recommend the German brand Anton Meyer (https://antonmeyer.de/collections/smokingjackett-1), they will ship internationally. They also have off-white dinner jackets that might be appropriate in Spain.
Your post struck me as very funny because I just purchased a pair of vintage 80’s Levis 505’s, they have a zip which I prefer on jeans. It’s been decades since I’ve owned blue jeans.
People like myself who come from a longer past see things through a slightly different lense.
As a hippy New York teen in the 60’s, jeans, military surplus shirts and jackets were somewhat common. Wearing your Levis until worn through at the knees was also common amongst many. The next level was to patch them with any odd material (check out Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull back in the day). All this was organic not a manufactured marketing product or look.
. (forget the pre washed, pre torn ‘BUY THESE YOU’LL LOOK HIP!).
The dark jeans, shirt and jacket in your post don’t work for me, just my taste I guess. Perhaps better in person.
For me, faded levis seem to go with just about everything, structured or not. From blazers to tweed or cashmere jackets. Then finish with. your choice of shirt, knit, shoes.and socks. It’s all how you put it together.
I’m looking forward to matching my new purchase with that very selection of just mentioned jackets in my closet..
Thanks Guy. Hopefully see you at the NY pop-up in the Autumn
Chances are I’ll see you there. Look forward to it.
This is a great article Simon. I’ve been thinking about this more as it starts to cool and my more structured jackets have come out of their summer hibernation.
It’s really hard to describe why they don’t work with jeans isn’t it, but I’ll try. I think for me the shape of structured jackets draws your eyes upwards, an emphasis on the vertical. I think if you then have a bottom half which bags (like jeans do) it drags your vison downwards – it looks inconsistent and your eyes are drawn upwards and down simultaneously in a way that looks fussy and odd.
It contrast, when you wear tailored trousers, everything is sharp, vertical and harmonious. It’s perhaps why that image from Husbands sorts of works – they are sort of tailored trousers in their style.
I now think that all of many of my Neapolitan jackets look a bit ‘soft’ when paired with tailored trousers. Inharmonious in the opposite way. They do however look great with jeans.
Walking past Dege & Skinner this week, I think some of the effects of structured tailoring are quite nicely illustrated. They have two similar SB jackets in the window, one with a open collared shirt, the other with a shirt and tie. The shirt and tie option looks fabulous, everything pointing up towards the face, really nicely balancing the shoulders so you don’t notice them. In contrast, the open collar looks ‘off’ – the collar is lower and spread, and just emphasises the breadth of the shoulders and is again at odds with you vision wanting to be drawn to the vertical.
This is a long answer to summarise what we all know – full blown tailoring with a tie looks great. It doesn’t really help with the ongoing conundrum of mixing tailoring to the modern wardrobe – but I think if you get the principals (which PS helps with so much), it helps you on the quest!
It does, thank you James, that’s a really nice way to put it all
Thanks, Simon. In the image where you’re wearing the Paolo blue hopsack jacket, light blue jeans, and PS blue oxford shirt, you say it looks a little non-harmonious or dull. I wonder what impact, in addition to brown suede shoes, would the same jacket have if it was unstructured? I ask because I’m trying to understand how I wear my MTM unstructured hopsack blazer with denim – and would appreciate any other views you might have as my other denim colours are ecru or dark blue. Thanks again, appreciate your repeated efforts and time responding to my questions.
I think that would look much nicer with an unstructured jacket, Nicholas. I would have fair fewer issues wearing it with this outfit then – it could look very nice
We’re looking it as a binary (structure v. not-structured), but it’s really a continuum of parts that needs to harmonize. For example, kind of structured jacket (Whitcomb?) in a not-to-sharp material (Donegal or a tweed?) with dark rinse or rigid denim, and sharpish loafers (black? dressier than the full-strap Alden you like to wear), a black leather belt, and something more flashy than an OCBD on top under the jacket).
That’s very true BC. I still find there’s something binary about the jacket structures – Whitcomb still feels sharp even in a soft make and a soft material – but the other elements definitely make a big difference
One of my favourite ensembles is a single breasted dinner jacket with the satin lapels and buttons worn with a crisp white shirt and faded jeans. I tend to wear them with YSL Wyatt boots.
Hi Simon,
Great article. You mentioned that white jeans create ‘something very different, very showy’ when paired with your black structured jacket. Would this be different with a very soft-shouldered, unstructured jacket?
I’m thinking of a summer evening look: an unstructured jacket in dark tropical wool (navy or black) with ivory jeans. Does the combination of tropical with refined ivory denim (no turn-up) work, or does the ‘showy’ nature of white/ivory jeans persist?
It would be a little showy, yes, and as well as that the tropical wool would be quite a sharp, still smart combination with the ivory jeans. It could work maybe, if the jacket was completely unstructured, the jeans straight, maybe some smart elements elsehwere (belt, shoes). But the dark and sharp material both make it harder
Hi there. Lovely article. Where is the soft-shouldered navy sport coat from (2nd and 3rd picture)?
That’s from Solito, the Neapolitan bespoke tailor
hi Simon
i wonder whether you and Manish could give you 3 favourite jacket and trouser combinations in a future article
Sure Joners, though we talk about those kinds of things quite often. Is there a particular quandary you had that you’re looking to solve? That might help target the article
hi
no, just the ones you gravitate to. Of course the occasion will matter. But let’s say going to restaurants or bookshops.
OK, thank you