One of the disconcerting things about the growing popularity of Permanent Style is the regularity with which readers find old posts – usually via search engines – and question me about them. I dislike being called an expert today, whether it’s on questions on style, manufacture or fashion history, but I certainly know a lot more than when I started writing, over five years ago.
One of the disconcerting things about the growing popularity of Permanent Style is the regularity with which readers find old posts – usually via search engines – and question me about them. I dislike being called an expert today, whether it’s on questions on style, manufacture or fashion history, but I certainly know a lot more than when I started writing, over five years ago.
One of my favourite outfits is a white button down shirt, navy knitted silk tie, navy sleevless cardigan, fawn coloured cords, espresso coloured suede loafers and a single breasted navy blazer.
Sounds beautiful
Very glad you have ‘evolved’ on the sleeveless cardigan issue, as politicians say here in the US. Middle-aged Italian men continue questing to take over the world of men’s style, and I’m all for it. Your last step is a journey into color. Francesco Maglia rocks a mustard vest, and Antonio Liverano an orange one. I have all these and more & recommend them, though if one has to ask “Can I…” then one probably can’t. 🙂
What about chocolate brown – would that be a versatile colour?
Yes, could work well. Maybe if there’s less brown elsewhere, in the accessories for example
When wearing a jacket over such a cardigan, should it be buttoned-up? I’ve always preferred an undone jacket when wearing a waistcoat/sleeveless cardigan, as it just seems to look better, but this flies in the face of the rule about always buttoning your jacket…
Yes still always going to look best done up, but if you do leave it undone then it’s going to look a lot better than with just the shirt
Great idea Simon, since I’ve been following your blog since inception… the older and wiser, the less severe with our opinions, we get…
Italians are now adopting (promoting) the sleeveless card…, but I’ve always seen it present on the streets here in Rome. If everyone, every job,every day including Saturday and Sunday, had to wear a suit, or a jacket and tie, you would be amazed at the inspiration you could find.
A chalk stripe grey flannel suit, brown grenadine/knit tie, light cream or white shirt, and a beige cardigan blows your mind if done right…Guess if you live in Italy you can do these things…
Who would have known some things never go out of style, or is it fashion?
proper grandad cardi.
not sure about these. i prefer full length sleeves & at £295 it’s a hell of a risk.
how do afford them???
I’ve long wondered why John Smedley doesn’t offer a sea island cotton waistcoat. All they would have to do is chop the arms off of their regular cardigan. It would be a welcome choice for Spring and transitional weather with a lighter suit. Simon, can you ask them?
Will do
Reviving this old post, have your feelings on this matter changed? I don’t think I have ever seen a picture of you wearing one?
No, my opinion is the same – I would just particularly emphasise the way something like this is worn. With a tweed jacket, flannels and suede shoes, it can seem a little old-fashioned.
You’re right though I haven’t included pictures of them for a while – though there’s actually one coming up in a post in a couple of weeks
Hi Simon,
Still another reader here finding old posts to come and haunt you.
You advised wearing the jacket buttoned over sleeveless cardigans. However the rule for 3 p suits is always unbuttoned. Do you advise the opposite because it is an alternative take for a casual approach, eg with odd sports coat & trousers?
In the same line, would you say that other classical no-nos such as showing belt under waistcoat can be broken for such casual approach? It is hard not to anyway, with médium rise trousers and not baggy cardigan.
I guess there has been time and switch to casualization for your opinion to evolve.
Thanks,
Hey Nico,
The rule is not to wear a three-piece suit with the jacket open. I’m not sure where you heard that.
Any bespoke suit made with a waistcoat will be cut so it fastens perfectly over the waistcoat, and with the assumption it will be worn that way. Plus if the jacket is always worn open, it slightly defeats the point of having the jacket well fitted to you.
Of course, a three-piece does look good with the jacket unbuttoned, or at least better than one without a waistcoat. But it shouldn’t be the default.
With a sleeveless cardigan, the jacket can be worn either way, and I wouldn’t be so prescriptive as to say it should be open or closed all the time. Most well-dressed men you will see will do both.
But there is something particularly appealing about the strip of a harmoniously-coloured cardigan running up the line of a jacket’s lapels. That is certainly something to aim for sometimes.
On a belt under a waistcoat, no this always looks too bulky and too casual for a three-piece suit as well. Side adjustors should be worn, if not braces.
Cheers
Thanks Simon. Bit of a mix up here…
1 – The most outright view on such ‘rule’ I picked from SR Schneider (Gentleman’s Gazzette). Not that I take heed of all his opinions, but he seems generally knowledgeable. Then it is frequently depicted in XX Century first half illustrations such as Apparel Arts, and pictures of well dressed men such as Sir Anthony Eden. Finally there was the reference of formal dress, as with tailcoat.
2 – Belt I meant under sleeveless cardigan + sports coat + odd trousers, not with 3 p suit. I figure out sharp lines matter less with the former, no discussion with the latter.
I wonder why it would not qualify at least for sprezzatura, given that grotesque – bordering approaches such as Agnelli’s over-cuff wristwatch or Avoriaz boots with suit have been renowned in menswear literature.
Best,
Hey Nico,
1 – Well, I won’t comment on GG’s advice. On illustrations, that is certainly one way it can be worn, and is therefore pictured, but they’re also pictured with waistcoats and the jacket buttoned. Lastly, formal dress is a different category, and made to not be buttoned.
And as I said, the Savile Row tailors that have made three pieces for me have all assumed the jacket was to be buttoned as the default.
2 – Ah I see. Yes, that’s better with a sleeveless cardigan, but I’d still generally advise against it. It will usually get in the way.
On sprezzatura, that’s just not what the word means. It is so frequently misused. It should be something that seems careless. Have a read here.
Hi Simon, do you think Drake’s sleeveless cardigan in black would look nice and versatile? I am also considering the same one in charcoal, but I am concerned that it won’t go well with the mid-grey flannels. I have copied a link below for your reference.
https://www.drakes.com/collections/knitwear/products/black-lambswool-sleeveless-cardigan
Many thanks,
Jack
I think black would certainly look better with the grey flannels.
Thanks, Simon.
Do you think the black cardigan would go well under a dark navy and brown sports jacket?
Probably not navy, perhaps dark brown. As always with black though, Jack, it’s not an easy or versatile colour with most things we cover. It’s never going to go with that much
Hmm, I think a navy cardigan would have been the best choice, but it seems like they don’t offer that.
Would you say I should go for the dark brown cardigan to wear well with the navy and dark brown jacket?
Yes probably