Our seasonal summary of things I’ve seen and liked rolls around again, and as ever is a good mechanism to answer questions about new products from established brands, such as the City Moc from Saman Amel (above).
But it’s also, by design, a mix of the old and the new, so there are both the expected names of Rubato and Drake’s, as well as the less-discussed Buck Mason or Novesta.
I hope you find something for you. All questions in the comments please, to be happily and thoroughly answered.
Buck Mason Rambler suede jacket
$698
My size: Large (size up)
I met the Buck Mason guys at Pitti last January, and Lucas and I both tried several products. I have to say we were both impressed by the price/quality ratio. This isn’t a Japanese brand making the finest reproduction quality, but it’s also half the price and most things were well done.
I was particularly impressed by the suede ‘Rambler’ trucker jacket. As I commented in the piece on Massimo Dutti, leather and suede are not an easy thing to do at a lower price, and I actually have an original ‘big E’ Levi’s one, so could compare first hand.
You definitely lose something by not going for those top-end Japanese brands, but if that’s out of your price range Buck Mason are a good option, and compare very favourably with someone like RRL.
£305
My size: Medium (normal size)
Staying with the Americana theme, a few readers asked about this new model from Rubato - their version of a western shirt, in black, white and indigo. I tried the black, and it’s exactly what you expect from Rubato - great quality with subtle style.
The benchmark for many will be the Sawtooth Westerner from Bryceland’s, which I also have, and this is lighter in weight, as well as dialling down some of the western elements - one snap on the pockets, two on the cuff. I’d say it’s a great choice for anyone that finds the heavier Sawtooth a little too much. My black is also fading nicely after a couple of washes.
My size: 44 (size up)
My favourite trainers have long been a collaboration between Mizuno and Margaret Howell, and readers often ask what else I’d recommend, as those are only in black or white and not always available.
The Marathon from Novesta is a good one - slim, subtle and nicely made. Trunk had them previously in bolder colours, but the current grey and beige are more versatile and I ended up getting the beige. It’s a great colour combination, particularly the black around the edges.
Not all sizes are currently available at Trunk, but there are lots of other colours and sizes available on the Novesta site and through places like End.
New & Lingwood band-collar shirt
£155
My size: Medium (normal size)
I’ve been really interested in how New & Lingwood have evolved over the past couple of years. They’re doing more tailoring, more sophisticated materials, and more classic menswear, perhaps in the process filling some of the gap left by brands like Drake’s going more casual. It's easy to forget, for example, that until recently they only did silk gowns, but now offer cashmere, linen seersucker; the tailoring has expanded in the same way.
Over the winter I picked up a raglan coat from them in a really strong but tasteful check, for example, which is the kind of thing you rarely see anywhere else these days - traditional outfitters don't have the same taste level and modern ones are too sleek and safe.
The current New & Lingwood collection has some nice linen suits - in just the right shade of dark brown or dark green - wearable colours of towelling shirts, and great linen shirts. I’ve been after a linen band-collar one for a while, as well as a plain spread-collar silk, and they had both.
Drake’s cotton-twill Games Blazer
£795
My size: 40 (normal size)
Speaking of Drake’s, they recently restocked the Games Blazer in the cottons I missed out on last year, when I got my corduroy. Both the cotton twill and canvas are lovely, machine washable and indeed fading well when washed.
I get a lot of questions from readers about where they can get a cheaper version of the Games Blazer, and you just can’t, unless you go for a bog-standard chore coat. What sets the Games apart is design and often materials, and that’s something most other brands don’t put into a chore. The materials are the same ones from the same bunches, and the design is just straight up-and-down.
The Drake’s is definitely expensive, but to my mind design-led brands like this justify their price when they set themselves apart in those two areas.
Saman Amel City Moc (and Quoddy/Beige)
€600
My size: 43 (normal size) in the Saman and 10 US (size up) in the Quoddy
I saw these at the recent Saman Amel trunk show, just before they were due to go on sale, and was pretty excited. There’s a real gap there - a shoe that’s almost as comfortable as a trainer, but almost as smart as a loafer, and of course stylish.
They looked really good on Dag and Dom with their suits and I liked the sleek, elevated design. They didn’t work on me in the same way (with tailoring) I think because both of the guys like their trousers wide and the shoes looked great just poking out of their hems. But as a shoe to wear with something more smart/casual or casual/chic - like smart chinos and a cashmere knit - I think they'd be great. It's something I'm going to try again when the new showroom opens (on Albemarle Street) in June.
I also recently tried the boat shoes that Beige in Paris is doing as a collaboration with Quoddy. These are chunkier and not as luxe, but as with Saman the black option is really interesting - it takes away all possible old-mannish associations. The Beige guys have also made some subtle but effective choices, such as putting silver hardware on the black leather, rather than gold, and white stitching rather than yellow.
Silver Ostrich ostrich-leather belt
€440
My size: 90 (normal size)
I’ve never actually written about Silver Ostrich, although I’ve had their belts for a while. Most of the styles are a little much for me, and my brown-suede ‘Versailles’ (below) is something I wear only when I want a particular look (and 20 times less than my Rubato in the same material).
But my recent, pleasant discovery was that the brown ostrich-leather (above) is actually easier to wear than plain suede, and ages very nicely. The pattern is quite subtle and varied, but also not the standard suede, leather or croc. I have it in the Amboise style and now wear it rather more than my suede, mostly with jeans. Unfortunately the fact it’s an exotic makes it a level more expensive.
Hey Simon, back with my question. How did the black version of the western shirt feel, more bold / unusual than the indigo one? Plain black with no contrasted stitching so I am assuming more quiet, but curious of your opinion.
Thanks for posting again.
It’s definitely more bold than the indigo, in the same way any black shirt would be really – a slightly more fashion or evening look.
Thank you for the overview.
I am quite tempted by the Rubato Roper shirts. Which colour do you consider the most and least versatile?
I’d say the white and the indigo are roughly the same, with the indigo perhaps just about the most versatile. The black is the least
Thank you Simon. And since it will fade over time, it will get easier to wear?
A little easier, yes, but only a little I think
Hi Simon,
Do you think the Western theme stuff is really timeless, or more of a trend right now?
A Western-style denim shirt is a good staple, but seeing a lot of cowboy boots, belts with fancy hardware etc. around.
There’s certainly a bit more of a trend going on, but if it becomes very much your style then I think it can be worn for longer. And if you’re unsure, I’d just go for more moderate options – maybe not the boots, maybe the most subtle of buckles
Hi Simon,
Regarding the Drakes games blazer. I bought a cotton mix one a couple of years back. The version (I lost count on the numbers) with flaps on all the pockets. We discussed at the time wearing with a blue/ white Breton T-shirt underneath. You rightly counselled to try to check it is more versatile than that one combination.
On the plus side, the straight fit and materials make it casual enough to comfortably wear with a t-shirt and polo shirt in warm weather and slightly smarter than a chore.
On the downside it did develop some vertical hard creases on the front, that won’t press or steam out. That said it’s good enough for its purpose. Same as the boat shoes you mentioned, no ‘old-mannish associations’ whatever that means.
Overall I’d say worth the money, but I think I’ll go for a John Simon’s sack jacket going forward.
Hi Stephen,
That’s strange on the hard creases. It might be worth taking it to an actual presser or cleaner to see if they can just press that out. It doesn’t sound like a fault
Hi, I agree I don’t think it’s an actual fault, just the nature of the design and perhaps cloth. It’s still wearable as it’s a casual jacket. I’ll take your advice and try a presser. What was the name of the one you suggested a few months back? Possibly in or around Burlington Arcade?
The Valet.
Perhaps it’s a hard thing to describe online, but I wouldn’t have thought creases like that would happen from the design
Hi Simon,
I agree. Please have a look at attached photograph. I tried pressing before taking the photograph, however it slowly comes back. It’s in the area where backing sits but doesn’t appear to be fused to the backing. Any advice appreciated.
Thanks
To be honest that seems pretty minor Stephen. Maybe it’s the picture, but it looks like the kind of line you might get elsewhere on a material like that, or is just a result of the way the jacket is made – in a simpler more workwear manner, without lining etc
Thanks Simon. I was more curious than anything else. It’s still wearable and in keeping with a more casual style.
Thanks again.
Hey Simon and Stephen, I have a games blazer cotton and linen mix from last year and it does the same crease/fold when Wearing the jacket unbuttoned. It was something I had thought of before but something I’ll keep in mind when getting an unlined casual jacket. I really love it though and looking at the olive herringbone as my second games. Only thing is also eyeing the orbium casual jacket at armoury. What’s your thought on that?
Big fan thanks!
The Orbium pieces are beautiful. I’d say the difference is one of style – Orbium and Coherence are very clean, precisely made, more luxurious even though they are workwear-inspired. Drake’s is different, more rough and chunky, in the materials but also things like the seams and hardware
Hi Stephen, that crease is prompt to be there regardless of how much you press or steam the jacket especially when hung on a hanger. The right front panel with two pockets builds a firmer structure, if the jacket creases that is the only area where it can happen. Another point is that the right panel is on top of the left and left side edge is about where the crease forms.
Also, buttons add weight to the right panel.
On the left panel, the off-set pockets (chest+side pocket) position won’t allow a similar crease to form.
That’s my take on this topic!
All the best!
Hi Simon,
I’ve been eyeing a navy cotton games blazer from Drake’s for a while now. Did you have the chance to try the herringbone version of the Mk 1 (see here https://www.drakes.com/products/navy-herringbone-cotton-games-blazer-mk-i-1)?
If so, how do you think it compares vs. the heavy cotton twill you mention above?
Hey Nils,
That herringbone is very nice. A little softer, but also a great option
Speaking of the suede jacket – have you possibly written a separate article on quality suede and leather? I didn’t find anything when I searched the site and am interested in learning more.
I haven’t actually, good point. That would be a nice thing to try and do. It’s hard across all skins and weights and finishes, but it should be possible to say something useful
Lovely!
Hi Simon, I don’t suppose you’re aware of any ready-to-wear suede truckers that are on the shorter end, like Bryceland’s denim Type 1? Most, including this Buck Mason Rambler, are too long in the body for me.
I’m not, sorry. I would imagine the repro Japanese brands would be a good place to look though, as the traditional ones were quite short and they would likely to working to the same style. You can of course also keep a look out for actual vintage ones
Hi Simon, could you please list some of examples of the JP repro brands you mention? I have looked through clutch’s selection but I am assuming there are some more out there too.
Clutch has a lot of them. Check out Son of a Stag too, and Rivet & Hide. I won’t know much beyond those
Tim, this isn’t a bad list to widen your scope a bit. https://almostvintagestyle.com/2018/09/28/the-top-ten-leather-jacket-brands-list/
Some on there you’ll probably recognise, but some lesser known ones too. Pictures aren’t the most stylish examples of the brands work either but good makers. Helped me make some tactical eBay searches when I was looking recently.
If you have Instagram try following some brands you’ll see on clutch / rivet & hide and then look at the other suggested accounts to follow for similar brands. I found a great leather helmet bag from a brand called ‘Vasco’ I’d never heard of that very way. Happy hunting.
Nice link Chris, thanks
New & Lingwood’s new range is much better and the new chinos are exactly what I’m looking for. The tailoring seems to be recovering from lockdowns and a drift towards European fashion. I can only hope that the shirts do likewise. It’s very disappointing that a renowned Jermyn street shirtmaker has IMO lost its way. The current range has a lot of shirts with French fronts rather plackets. I miss my old favourites with the famous N&L collar in Royal Oxford, bengal stripe poplin and end-on-end.
It’s interesting that you see N&L (rather than Anglo Italian) as filling a gap left by Drake’s move towards casual clothing. N&L has, over the years, tended to compete with Ede & Ravenscroft and Cordings in the traditional British market. I have been a loyal customer of all three firms for many years. It’s surprising that, IIRC, PS has not reviewed or featured anything from E&R which offers great value for money.
Have you written about New and Lingwoods before? Their linen suits look good to me (in the RTM space).
I’m summer suit shopping atm
I haven’t, no, but can do more. They are good quality
The Saman Amel shoe is great, don’t think I’ve seen such a minimalist mocasin shoe before without the regular “boat shoe” details. Great concept and execution but pricey, like most of their offerings.
Timberland has all-black minimalist boat shoes, but with traditional lacing, that looks great. They would be ideal to wear with black or dark blue casual trousers such as jeans or chinos. At only £130, it’s a more affordable and accessible option. They are easy and cheap to resole (Vibram) too. Worth considering imo.
Thanks Kent. I think those are more similar to the Quoddy ones in style (though not made the same). The Timberlands are great but chunkier than the Saman style
Timberland’s nubuck boat shoes are not so chunky and, in my experience, much softer. This year’s all black version is more similar Saman’s but has the traditional perimeter lacing. The Quoddy for Beige canoe shoe is a camp moc and also has contrast stitching. I like Horween Chromexel leather and would consider it in a wide fit. Tbh Saman’s (€600 plus UK taxes/duties) is out of my price range for a boat shoe.
Completely understand on the price, and the Quoddy one is of course a different design. The shape of the Timberland is a little rounder though and in various other ways the Saman design is more refined – lower vamp, lower wall at the front, finer sole. I can definitely see the Timberland working, but there are design as well as material differences
I’m with Simon here, the Saman shoe is enough of a distinctive design to break away from the more generic boat shoe umbrella. The Timberland’s, Paraboots and Quoddys are great but are clearly rooted in boat shoes and preppy aestetics while the Saman shoe is more of a Loro Piana open walk sort of beast. Based on a classic design but scaled back and made up in luxe materials.
I love these discussions – trying to understand what makes a shoe different, what elevates it and makes it more refined than a similar shoe. Whilst I like the Saman aesthetic (a lot) I’m really struggling with these shoes. I find them particularly jarring with tailoring. Perhaps better with shorts?!
Perhaps, but perhaps it’s just not your style – it is a more niche interpretation of that style of shoe than almost any other
Paraboot make a very nice all black version in grained leather. In terms of design I would say it’s in between the Quoddy and Saman Amel ones.
Agreed, but Paraboot always have their little green tag on all the shoes, which is not to my liking.
IMO anybody who spends 600EUR on a pair of boat shoes has lost all sense of reality.
Boat shoes are meant to be worn and look aged.
That’s a little narrow-minded, no? Designs can be and indeed are repurposed to different styles all the time. The boat shoe itself was an example of that surely, given its moccasin origins. This is an exisitng style being repurposed into something much more dressy and luxe, but which can still look good.
I’ve handled the saman Amel moccasin but not worn it, and I can definitely it’s supremely soft and flexible. I think that’s what surprised me most as I expected a more normal feeling boat shoe but in suede.
I’m not 100% on board with the boat shoe styling, I would’ve preferred a slipper design I think, but had I liked the styling I would’ve bought it without hesitation.
Hi Simon, I wonder if you’d consider an in-depth review of the New & Lingwood band collar shirt, perhaps as a broader piece on that style of shirt? PS has always espoused the flattering nature of a high collar, and it could be a follow-up to your recent piece on when to choose a collar or not, the advantages/trade-offs of this style versus normal, how it works with tailoring and more casual outfits, etc. I used to have one or two grandad collar shirts (are they different from band collars?) but faded them out of my wardrobe over my years of reading PS. But I still think it’s a look that can work and would be interested to read your views on it.
Sure Joe, nice idea. Grandad collars are the same, yes
I get a lot of questions from readers about where they can get a cheaper version of the Games Blazer, and you just can’t, unless you go for a bog-standard chore coat.
In relation to the statement above, I thought that William Crabtree’s Lowgill jacket might fit somewhere between the Games Blazer and a chore coat. It doesn’t have quite the same styling as the Games Blazer and the lapels are on the narrow side, though worn up, as I think you do with your Games Blazer, that’s not so noticeable. I think it occupies a similar sort of space to the Games Blazer.
I think the Lowgill is nice, yes. I just wanted to make the point that if someone is looking for the Games Blazer, just cheaper, it won’t be the same. Unlike a lot of other chores which are the same design, cut and fabrics
Good point, Simon.
I bought a lowgill in brown tweed which is far more minimal in design than the games and really fills that area where guys like me, feel a little uncomfortable wearing a more formal jacket with jeans.
I am extremely happy with it
I actually think William Crabtree’s recent release (Barbon) is better than the Lowgill, and actually I prefer to the Drake’s games blazers too. The lapel looks slightly better proportioned/shaped in my view, and I much prefer a few buttons to the no-button cuff that the Drakes ones use. Wonder what Simon’s thoughts are on that one. Much narrower choice of fabrics obviously, but a very nice jacket.
https://www.williamcrabtree.co.uk/products/olive-washed-cotton-barbon-jacket
I haven’t tried it Sam – it looks nice though, a more standard cotton casual jacket and more standard fabrics, but that will suit a lot of people
J.Crew also has something similar, the Crosby chore blazer (for the Americans)
Last year I had decided to buy a navy cotton Games Blazer from Drakes but on a whim thought I’d check out the Lowgill first. After then going to Savile Row and trying on the Drakes offering, I ended up hopping straight back on the tube and buying the Lowgill instead; the material is lovely, it works with collar up and down and it’s about half the price.
While I’m still a big fan of Drakes, I find it hard to justify their current pricing and dare I say, seems a little bit like one is paying extra for the label these days.
Sorry to comment again.
Simon, do you have any recommandation for a rather smart summer chino. My problem is that the usual chinos you recommend are to heavy when it is really hot (above 30 degrees), but the lightweight chinos all seem to contain elasthan. Kr
Hmm, no not off the top of my head. Ideally there’d be something with a linen mix, but I don’t know any
40 colori had a really nice cotton/linen mix smart summer chino last year – worth checking as they can do MTO.
Maybe take a look at Casatlantic trousers, at 300g they aren’t absolute lightest but the looser fit helps a bit. They also have 240g Irish linen that could work. Pricing is reasonable and you can wash at home.
True, they are a nice option if you like that high rise. They’ve also improved the way the trousers are made now, with things like a waistband lining
Have you considered Cordings super lightweight chinos (£125)? They are made from 7oz/220g cotton with only 2% lycra – https://www.cordings.co.uk/menswear/trousers/super-light-chinos. That weight seems ideal for over 30C and Cordings has a buy one, get one half price offer on all trousers at the moment.
Great selection, aside from leather jacket maybe, I could see myself being interested in any of these items. Even the band collar shirt, which is a style I never considered before, might actually work nicely as something to lounge around at home.
One item I’d usually gloss over but now that you highlighted it has captured my interest is the Quoddy canoe shoes. How do you think these would fare as dedicated wet weather shoes for summer, to be paired with shorts and more casual pants? Black colour is giving me pause but eyelet and stitching contrast might be enough to make it more versatile.
I think they could do well functionally for something like that. I’d only think through the colour if it’s not one you’d normally wear with that kind of style
Some other small differences between Rubato’s and Bryceland’s western shirts (I also own both):
Thanks Noel. Yes that’s the reason with the last point.
On sizing, I actually found the Bryceland’s slimmer – I wear a 42 now. But it does have a little shrinkage, where the Rubato doesn’t seem to so far
Interesting. Perhaps the difference is small and washing plays a role as you say. I’ve only had my sawtooth for a short while (I finally got one in the last restock). Did you buy the washed or raw sawtooth version?
Raw, so that might have something to do with it
Hi Simon, this is a great selection.
Just wanted to ask about the sizing for the Drake’s games blazer. I usually wear the same sizes as you for most PS outerwear, but I had to go for size 36 for the games blazer. Do you prefer it to be oversized? Also, what kind of trousers would you wear with them?
Many thanks,
Jack
A little roomy, perhaps not oversized. Plus I need the extra length for my height.
If you look at the link in the piece you can see my piece on the Games and how I wear it.
Hi Jack, Simon,
I bought the games blazer and the trousers in navy heavy cotton twill about a month ago. I’m normally a 42 inch chest, but this is misleading because I have broad shoulders so need to size up on the chest to accommodate my shoulders. The 42 offered a sharp silhouette and was snug. So I tried the 44 which was roomier and much more relaxed. I can’t for the life of me judge how I look in the mirror so I had at least two `Drake’s guys come over to judge which one sat on me best. They both (independently) said the 44.
Whilst Simon says the jacket shouldn’t be oversized mine is about 20% oversized (in a boxy louche way) but I really like it because of this – it moves it father from a tailored look and into the realms of carefree casualness. My advice: go into Drakes and try the jacket on in a couple of sizes and try to resist the more formal fitting size (and of course ask the Drakes guys.)
Also, on colouring – the navy seems to come in minutely differing shades of navy insofar that after I had bought mine I went back in a few weeks later and there was the same navy games coat but it was slightly blacker – I absolutely wish I had grabbed one of these slightly darker ones – it was closer to the colour of the version in the image below (if it’s uploaded) from Drakes featuring Aaron Levine which inspired me to buy it in the first place.
The heavy cotton twill version is really quite something – the hip pocket flaps can almost be moulded into shape so you can have them pointing outwards eccentrically if that’s your thing and, like Simon, I always wear mine with the collar up. I can’t wait to put mine in the wash for the first time but as per Drake’s instructions it’s important to wear it in first so that the jacket distresses to the contours of its fit around you (like jeans would – in fact they told me to treat it like raw denim), so the first wash will be little while yet.
Happy hunting.
Thank you Will, very useful
Hi Simon, many thanks for the overview.
I note that a lot of stores have moved to either having a dedicated US site (from this post, Drakes is an example whereas New and Lingwood is not) or having some currency conversion, based on your IP, through the website.
In many cases, when shipping to the US, I used to be able to simply get the price in GBP minus VAT. Now though, with these “helpful” US storefronts or conversions, I often get the offer of a price that is a few points higher than the market conversion I’d get through my bank, and it is a conversion of the UK price including VAT. So, in this case, it seems the retailer is increasing the actual unit cost for people in the US by pocketing the VAT. I have seen the very dubious suggestion that this is to help the customer, as this is a “landed price” ensuring we don’t pay duties. But, this seems questionable, especially at anything under a certain value. Is it all just a slightly opaque way of making more money from US customers?
Hey Ferdinand,
No not usually. The UK retailers are not pocketing the VAT, they charge US customers the local taxes (which will vary by state) and then any duties (usually only over $800). They have to pay this back in the US, usually through the local courier.
There are then a few charges on top of that:
– The courier charges a fee for doing the taxes/duties, making it quicker and more convenient for the US customer. Whether you think that’s worth it or not is of course up to you.
– Currency fee for offering the prices to US customers in dollars. A system monitors the currency rate and adjusts periodically. Again, you might not think it’s worth it, though when asked everyone says they prefer to see prices in local currency, and are more likely to buy when they are.
– A system fee, usually by the overarching company that arranges all this, such as Shopify or Global-e, to do things like detect your location.
There are then other reasons why the price creeps up, to close to the UK price. For example, in order to avoid losing money the brand usually sets the currency conversion to be quite pessimistic, to create a buffer in case of fluctuations. In general US customers are also less price-sensitive, so brands know they can have more of a buffer than elsewhere.
Some brands may well be using the lack of transparency to simply set a different US price, but there are these costs to charging in dollars and doing DDP (delivery duty paid) where no local taxes or duties are paid upon arrival. Unfortunately, while you might prefer not to have DDP, a lot of people prefer it or just don’t realise there are taxes/duties and reject the package when it arrives, in which case the brand often has to pay the taxes/duties anyway, and the return shipping.
It’s something we’ve been looking at as a company, so I’m fairly familiar with it. Any other questions let me know!
Simon, many thanks. A very clear breakdown of what is involved.
I do have a few questions, just to have a clearer picture in my mind.
What local taxes are being charged in the US for retailers that don’t have a physical presence in the delivery state? E.g. (and this is from US perspective) I don’t pay any sales tax when I order from J Press or The Armoury, as they have no physical location in my state. I do have to with Luca Faloni, as they are now physically present.
The currency fee is understandable, but I would say poor value for customers, who would almost always get a better conversion from their credit card provider; I never accept the offer to pay in local currency when abroad, as the rate is terrible. I’m surprised people like buying in local currency… Also, it seems easier for the brand to have a steady retail price in their local currency and put risk back on consumer side?
I certainly understand the potential benefit on goods with total value over $800; though would really need to check if it is worth 23(ish) percent.
A related thought, but not applicable to online sales, it’d be great if the UK brought back VAT-free shopping for visitors. I think UK retail really losing to the continent (Paris in particular) when I see the lines for VAT refunds at Frankfurt and Charles de Gaulle.
Many thanks again for your detailed answer.
No problem.
I’m not sure how it works for sales taxes if you are a US retailer, but if you are a foreign one, whether you have to charge local sales tax or not depends on how much (value and volume) you sell in that state.
I completely agree on the currency conversions, I think overall it just shows how much people tend to prioritise convenience over other things, which is often not in their best interest. We might have to move towards this system soon ourselves, just because so many people reject shipments when they see there is tax to pay, or there is duty because it is above $800, and that costs us as a company.
On the point about putting the risk on the consumer side – yes, brands would prefer that all things being equal. But in reality they sell more the other way, by taking the risk off the customer.
Completely agree on VAT-free shopping – if only it was up to me!
By the way though, US consumers need to realise how good they have things. The idea that you might be able to buy something from the UK and pay no sales tax or duties at all is crazy. Plus, the idea that you don’t have to pay local sales tax if the brand has no local shop – no wonder ecommerce is so big.
Simon, thanks again. You are right that we have things fairly good; this is sort of a luxury problem…
I am surprised though that customers see such benefit of paying in their local currency, especially as there is no particular effort for them when using a credit card. Though many cards will impose their own foreign transaction fee…
Yes, true.
I think it just helps convert people at that point where they are trying to work out quite how much it is in dollars, and they think that in pounds there may well be additional costs, whereas in dollars it’s likely to be all included.
Simon – there may be few folks who may find that better but I am with Ferdinand that this is not really better for US customers, especially for product below $800. And some brands are definitely mixing price hikes with it – the most egregious recent example is Rubato who just raised there prices by 30-40% with an email positioning that as “good news” for customers because now they were shipping duties paid. I have no issues with price increases – they may have justifiable reasons and I have the choice of buying from them or not. But that type of positioning just loses goodwill.
Thanks PB. I completely get that, it might just be that you’re in the minority in focusing on it and understanding it. Also, bear in mind the hidden costs to the brand that you don’t see, and may force them into it. Like the returns and duties that they have to pay for.
As an interesting data point, if you purchase the Wax Walker from PS, the converted price to USD is ~$975 and then duties of ~$86, which are charged and collected by DHL. Conversely, if you purchase it from Private White it cost $1,100 and duties of ~197.
Beyond wanting to directly support Simon and Lucas, it is also a better economic benefit to the consumer with a savings of ~$240.
Thanks Rand. I guess you can see the various costs we talked about in there; I think PWVC also has to charge local sales tax given their size, where we don’t.
Thank you always for the support!
“By the way though, US consumers need to realise how good they have things. The idea that you might be able to buy something from the UK and pay no sales tax or duties at all is crazy. Plus, the idea that you don’t have to pay local sales tax if the brand has no local shop – no wonder ecommerce is so big.”
While that is true, there are trade offs to the high duty threshold. Duties are essentially a form of protectionism, so the United States allowing duty-free import below $800 opens up their market to increased competition from abroad. Duties are also a form of government revenue, so while they are not being charged for importing goods you can be sure the government makes up for it in the form of other taxes.
Also the idea that no sales tax is required if the brand has no local shop is no longer true, the laws around that have become more complicated since 2018. I am often charged sales tax for foreign purchases now.
Thanks Eric. I think on the sales tax point you may have misread – the point about local shops was only related to US brands.
On the other points, I’m no expert and this is probably not the right forum for the discussion, but in general the US just taxes less and spends less on welfare, health and infrastructure etc compared to Europe. They don’t recover all the same taxes elsewhere.
If we can speak frankly, I think the comment about using said opacity to charge US customers more is applicable to Rubato. They recently changed from DDU to DDP and increased prices in USD by 30-40% for all products. This has (understandably) upset their US customer base. Since US shoppers do not pay duty below an $800 threshold anyway, this is essentially a huge price increase with no tangible benefit for the vast majority of customers. Since it is a blanket increase and presumably most orders are not above $800, Rubato is certainly pocketing quite a bit of extra money now, even given the slightly increased administrative costs involved (worth noting that prices were already given in USD before this).
Brands can charge whatever they see fit of course, but it does turn me off a bit, honestly. Shopify has a built-in feature to calculate duty and taxes ahead of time and allow you to prepay them, so I don’t understand why a shop wouldn’t just implement this feature instead of raising prices across the board if they were truly trying to benefit their customers and not just increase profit margins.
Thanks Eric, yes noted in another comment.
Not to defend anyone’s policy, but it is easy not to see the costs that a brand has of people rejecting shipments and them losing money there, or of ordering multiple sizes and returning some (where again, the brand loses the duty and tax that were paid to get it in the country). We have this problem in the EU, where we do DDP, and it costs us thousands every year.
The Shopify feature has it’s own fee to be built in I believe.
Hi Simon,
Wow, you must feel you’re back working in the financial press!
Interesting that Private White don’t offer VAT for overseas sales. There may be rules that apply to a companies of different size.
You have brought your experience to the fore with some very insightful points about the many fully allocated costs companies have to cover – as opposed to purely marginal.
Ultimately I think one can pay the price or vote with your wallet and don’t buy.
Now back to back to the clothes !
You make interesting and valid points, Simon. Still, it is disingenuous and disrespectful for Rubato to treat their US customers as fools, telling them that this DDP change is better for them when very clearly it is not, and pocketing money they say is payable in US duties and taxes related to one’s specific order which simply are not applicable.
If Rubato wants to raise their US prices by 30 to 40% overnight to cover costs, or increase revenue, or whatever other reason, that is OK if they can get away with it, as long as they are upfront about it being a price hike. But lying to their customers saying that those additional costs would have been borne by the customers in any event via the payment of US duties and taxes that are not applicable is just wrong.
I used to be a customer of Rubato, I really like their product and have spent many thousands of Dollars buying from them over the years. Not once did I have to pay US duties or taxes on orders below $800 (which were practically all of my orders). I will no longer be buying from a brand that takes me for a fool. I doubt you have to be very focused on this issue or in a minority to notice a 40% price hike made under false pretenses. A real shame.
I’m with you. When I emailed their customer service I did not appreciate being essentially lied to. I expected better from Rubato
Wait, really? Duty and tax is non refundable? Isn’t there somekind of complicated forms where after paying a fee you can recover the cost?
I never understood why exchanges is so complicated… Why can’t you ship back as “exchange”, add proof that taxes were already paid, and same thing when shop ships you back another item…
Yep, non-refundable. Unless you are registered in that country for tax purposes, which is far more expensive (unless you’re a big company) because you need to do a local tax return, have a local accountant etc.
Wow… Now that makes it completely understandable brands not offering free returns or exchanges internationally… However it does put me off trying new things where I can’t afford to pay taxes essentially 3 times… For shipping to me, for returning an item and for getting another item…
But id still argue that for new customer first exchange should be free…
Hi Simon,
I am curious how one sizes a leather jacket. I have a A1 style suede jacket which I wear infrequently because I am worrid about getting it wet.
I am considering the trucker jacket. Would you size it to fit over a tee or a jumper? (I’ve seen them styled over a tee and a jacket.) What would work best in the UK? During which seasons can they worn?
Second, I’ve always found them very long in the arms, despite being tall. This is fine if one is riding a motorcycle when ones arms are out in front. Any thoughts?
Well, I’d always size to go over a sweater as well, as you want that option.
I wouldn’t worry about suede too much. First because it’s easier to look after than people think (see video here) and second because it’s a casual working piece – it should age.
I haven’t found sleeves too bad, but perhaps fold back the cuffs if that works for you.
Hi
Just quick one from me. I tend to size all outer wear that I will wear casually to fit over a sweater. I always take the one that I’m likely to wear with me even in summer when going to a shop (this wasn’t always the case in my younger days and a few mistakes ensued!).
BTW , whilst not my preferred style I think suede trucker jackets look good on many people.
As much as I love the fit of the Rubato jeans, I had real issues with their shirts so far. Very blousy in the waist and somewhat narrow in the sleeves, but that was some time ago and maybe I have to try again. My bryceland’s westerner on the other hand has a really nice V-shape fit for my taste (as Manish also pointed out in his last piece). But we all know Simon’s answer to that problem: It is RTW and an easy fix for an alterations tailor.
True.
With the Rubato shirts, also note that some of them have different fits. The Work Shirt is bigger in the body than the R Shirt or the Roper Shirt
I bought the Rubato workshirt in ecru and it is very loose. Of course you can have it slimmed, but that costs time and money.
It seems I am not the only one. From reviews I infer that a lot of persons, who have bought Rubato‘s products, had them changed quite a bit. This also holds me back from buying their officer chinos. It somewhat beats one of the reasons of RTW, imho.
I think we’ve talked about this a bit in the past right Markus? If we’re at this level of wanting the perfect thing, a little alteration is often going to be required, otherwise a compromise somewhere. As we’ve talked about with reviews of all the chinos at other shops, if you care about design, material, hardware etc, you’re often not going to be able to find the perfect example unless you can have it made
Yes, Simon. If you want the perfect fit, you either have to be very lucky or have it made.
But I am more of an average customer and a good RTW fit is sufficient for me.
I am also not alleging that Rubato has a bad fit, but apparently a quite unusual one because so many customers seem to do major changes (which, on the other side, speaks for Rubato’s quality because many customers put up with that). For me, personally, I would wish that Rubato had slightly more mainstream measures.
I can absolutely see that Markus. Most brands tend to feel they’d rather do something unique, that they really love for particular reasons. Or rather, a lot of the brands we cover think that way, largely because their aim is not to sell as much as they possibly can
I also find their shirts oddly short in the sleeves for a Scandinavian brand.
If helpful, they wouldn’t describe themselves or think of themselves as a Scandinavian brand, and that’s not their target market.
I hear you, although as a Scandinavian myself I will say that there is nothing more Scandinavian than trying to deny the Scandinavian-ness of something you are doing!
Maybe they have a lot of customers in Asia; I do think the sleeves are shorter than average for a Western brand in general.
Hi Simon,
Quick question please on the sizing of the SA mocs:
I normally take a UK 8 1/2 size shoe. For loafers and mocs, I would ordinarily size down to a size 8 (EU 42) for a snug fit. I think I have the same show size as you – and just wanted to know your thoughts on whether the 43 would be a more appropriate fit? Thanking you as ever in advance.
Hey Joe,
It’s a little hard to say as I don’t usually size down in loafers and mocs. I would go the same size in them and kind of have done here. So if you normally size down for preference I guess I’d go for 42
Hi Simon,
What for outfits do you wear those beige Novestas with? Specifically trousers. I find wearing them with beige chinos looking somewhat off
Would greatly appreciate your input
Try something like black jeans. Also chinos that aren’t necessarily a classic beige, as in this post
Did you size up for the Novesta sneakers because they were too short or narrow?
Short
Hi Simon,
Do you have an opinion on the Games Navy cotton-linen vs the cotton twill for a casual suit. Thank you>
I haven’t tried the cotton-linen I’m afraid, but I would imagine it would have a similar feel, but the cotton will look more casual and wear in more
Alberto Luti makes the same exact belts at a fraction of the price.
Thanks Simone, but those aren’t the same at all. Most are just one piece of thick leather, rather than an outer and a lining. They also mostly aren’t sewn as a result. The hardware isn’t silver and brass.
Nice belts and a more rugged look, but not the same product and hence a lot cheaper
Hi Simon, from the images I have seen, Rubato’s roper shirt collar sits higher on the neck than Bryceland’s sawtooth shirt. Is that true?
Only very slightly, a millimetre or two. You could just roll either up a little higher and iron it at that point, for the same difference
I’ve recently come across Novesta so nice to see them pop up here. I’d be interested to hear what you think of the Star Master? I liked the look of them but having not seen them in person was concerned the sole is a touch chunky. The ribbing on it is quite busy.
Yes they’re not my favourite canvas shoe, I’d always go for a Doek, Pras, Wakouwa etc. The ribbing on that foxing around the outside is quite a lot
On the fellow modeling the N & L band collar shirt, the pants are beautiful. Just enough billowing with the pleats, roomy throughout without being baggy… looks to be linen like the shirt.
I’m big on these clothing items that hit the Goldilocks “just right” balance of casual yet elegant, items you could successfully dress up or down depending on what you wore with them.
I have to say that I smiled when I read that many people want a games blazer, but cheaper. While I’m in that camp, to add a layer of complexity, I like the unfitted nature of them, but also want them more fitted.
So, to explain, I’m only 5.7 and slim.
The “sack” look of jackets (like John Simmons) don’t look right on me. But I don’t want a fitted blazer. I wanted a slightly shaped, fitted, yet casual cotton jacket that I can wear in the office on a Friday, or at the pub on a Saturday. Any suggestions?
You might be better off with some of the Italian brands that do washed cotton jackets? Like Boglioli. If they’re too fitted then no I don’t have a similar suggestion
I would just like to add my experience. I have a Boglioli K jacket in navy / dark blue washed cotton, and this is the jacket I probably wear most often. It’s suitable for almost any temperature except cold winter days and hot summer days. It’s quite relaxed in terms of smartness, but can easily be worn to work due to the dark blue color
I was obsessed with the Saman Amel shoes when I saw them in their lookbook. I googled a lot to try to find what the model could be until I concluded that they were probably just something made for them (Quoddy had some similar styles in the past but in my opinion they have made their offering significantly worse). During these exercise, I also concluded that the shoes probably have a shelf life of 2 months until something like Aurelien puts out a version, they become ubiquitous and are ruined for all of us.
Silver Ostrich is an extreme but attractive casual style belt albeit very expensive indeed.
On the opposite and I’d say conservative category with some casual styles of belt, my go-to and default provider is Tim Hardy in Worcestershire.
I’ve already ordered my second fully bespoke belt in an attractive Australian Nut colour in Oak bark leather which comes from the J & FJ BAKER tannery in Devon to which Tim Hardy belts are unique. I’ve already mentioned Tim Hardy in other posts. His webpage is excellent. They also do classic bridle hide belts. I’ve even changed the contrast stitching to tone on tone. This will be my everyday replacement belt Price, a very competitive £105 , bridle belts as low as £75 which I feel is exquisite value.
Photos will be coming soon ….I promise!
I’m one of those readers who tried to find a cheaper version of a games blazer (off my own back rather than asking you I would add)! I tried an unstructured cotton jacket from Spier & Mackay. It superficially has some of the games blazer’s details like 3/2 buttoning, double needle stitching, patch pockets, shorter length, but it feels more tailored and thus it’s not a games blazer. Still nice and I will wear it a lot over summer but it doesn’t fit quite the same wardrobe gap as a games blazer might.
I also tried one of John Simons’ sack jackets. The style is nice and the fabric selection is similar to the games range but the cut didn’t work for me – the collar keeps gaping (improved but not perfect after alterations), which is not something I have with any other brand of structured or unstructured tailoring.
Moral of the story is if you like the games blazer, just accept that Drakes’ is price is the cost of a unique product. I’m now weighing up whether the navy cotton twill or olive herringbone cotton will be more versatile.
Thanks Alan, useful experience
The Puma Vlado Stenzel in hairy suede Frosted Ivory has been reintroduced from their 70s archive. Vlado, now aged 89, is one of the greats of the Handball world.
Hey Simon have you tried the new unstructured jackets by trunk clothiers ? I tried them and it looks alot like drakes gsmrs jackets for half the price but sadly their sold out in my size
I have briefly Shem, yes, but as I’ve said quite a few times, none of these jackets are like Drake’s Games jackets – they are all like each other, but not like the Drake’s. By them on their own merit but don’t always compare them to the Games
Simon,
Would love to see your experience commissioning a bespoke leather trucker jacket. I have come across Atelier Savas (https://www.ateliersavas.com/), but haven’t had the chance to work with them yet. I could see you starting with their RTW Denham model perhaps in the cognac suede or a tobacco adjacent color way and then riffing on it to better suit your taste and needs (e.g., I wouldn’t want zippers on the stuff pockets as the teeth scratch skin when used and I am less concerned about preventing an item from falling out, etc.). It could be an interesting stop on your next Stateside trip.
I recently had a bespoke denim trucker jacket made and while triple the cost of even a high end RTW trucker jacket, the ability to have it fit my shoulders correctly has made a world of difference. As Derek Guy would say, gotta go work on my fades.
Thanks Rand. I do know Savas and saw their stuff at Pitti. It isn’t really my style – very LA – and I probably wouldn’t use them. But if I wanted to make something I would probably take my vintage one to Cromford and ask them to use that as a model, with some fit tweaks
question i have is: can the added value of a micro or boutique brand be worth all the extra coin over an excellent pair of new balance or sperry or timberland shoes or a higher than wrangler quality denim shirt? i know lots of us like the intangibles but…
Well, unfortunately the answer is, it’s complicated. It varies a lot by category, for example. Between trainers, no you’re often not getting that much better quality. But with boat shoes, yes there is definitely a difference in the quality of leathers. With shirts, the biggest difference is the way the material wears in – compare an old Wrangler (I have one) to a worn-in repro one and the Wrangler looks like a rag
What happened to the trunk show calendar?
We had to stop doing it during Covid unfortunately. The Valet are starting up something very similar though, and we’ve helped them a bit with that.
I love the games blazers, a perfect synthesis of form and function. Very practical for a NY dad that works in Soho. Also glad to see Buck Mason getting some recognition, they’ve really hit it out of the park with their recent outwear – I have their lightweight trench coat and it works so well with my games blazers, hah!
Hi Simon,
Which color do you find to be most versatile on the cotton twill games blazer, considering its level of formality?
Would the brown go better with jeans than the navy?
Not necessarily, either is good I think. The material is so casual that the navy still looks casual
Which will age better, considering, for example, that navy chinos may not look good once they fade after several washes?
I think it will look good when it fades to be honest – that’s one of the things I love about these heavier cottons. They’ll both do that and both look good when they do
Hi Simon,
I really enjoy your articles and although some of the items are out of my price range the inspiration and the enjoyment I get out of reading about fine clothing and materials is fantastic. I really enjoy the Novesta range of shoes, I have several star master canvas and a pair of the marathon trail but with the GAT suede overlays. The star master are a fantastic canvas trainer but they tend to run true to size, the marathon run a little narrower. A fantastic company which still makes their shoes in the old factory in Slovakia. I’d recommend their canvas star master to anyone looking for a good value summer sneaker.
Simon, I think it should be noted that Drakes recently changed the fit of the game blazers, they are smaller in chest and shoulder. Is the cotton twill you talked about wearable in the summer?
Have they Kevin? For which season? Was that something you just observed or that they said?