Of all the articles I’ve written in our Wardrobe Building series, this might be the hardest.

Even if we’re just looking at smart trousers, the pairs that suit somebody will vary hugely with lifestyle and with taste. A pair of whipcords is probably smarter than a pair of flannels, but the difference is just as much about which look someone prefers.

Still, there are certain areas that are less controversial, and we’ll start with those before branching out into specific looks or how flash or fuddy something is.

The assumptions I’m making for everything in this list are:

  • the wearer is looking for smart, separate trousers, probably for work
  • they still want some range of formality (eg for a meeting and not)
  • and they want to wear them with a jacket and without.

 

 

1 Grey flannels

I’m always confident putting trusty mid-grey woollen flannels top of the list because of the reaction of a good friend of mine, when his office was transitioning from suits and ties to trousers and shirts.

He couldn’t believe how different they felt to everyone else in the office (who had, of course, just removed their suit jacket) and yet how smart and even sophisticated too.

Flannel remains unique among trouser materials for the place it holds between smart and casual (there is no real summer equivalent), and mid-grey is the most versatile colour, happy with black, brown and tan shoes, with black-and-white and with strong colour.

Bunch: Fox Classic Flannel. Fox is a great, dense flannel and the 370g mid-grey is my go-to

 

 

2 Charcoal or dark-brown flannels

Charcoal is for the formal dresser who wants something a little smarter than mid-grey. Or for someone who wears a lot of black and cold shades of brown and olive.

Dark brown flannels are similar, just without the office/business applications. I love both, and I’d suggest them as a second option to anyone that has loved flannel and is looking to expand.

This is the point where I think the first subjective, more personal angle comes in. A whipcord or cavalry-twill trouser in either of these colours is just as nice and almost as useful. I wouldn’t say it’s quite as home with something casual, like a denim shirt and a crewneck, but it’s not far off. Feel free to go for a sharp wool twill at this point instead of more flannel.

Bunch: Fox again for the flannels, with their char-brown (pictured above) the kind of colour few others seem to do. For whipcord and cav twill, try the Holland & Sherry Dakota bunch

 

 

3 Grey high twists

A central problem with this list is that most people will want different trousers for summer and winter. Unless you’re in a tropical country, or a very cold one, you won’t be able to wear most of the fabrics year round.

So here we have to recommend trousers in a similar shade of grey to the flannels, but in a smart summer material like high-twist wool. It’s very breathable, and it doesn’t look like the orphaned bottom half of a suit.

On the topic, by the way, suit trousers (usually fine worsted) aren’t so bad with just knitwear on the top. It’s when you try to wear them with separate jackets that they usually start to look odd.

Bunch: The classic here is Fresco, but I find it a bit too harsh. Crispaire from Holland & Sherry is good, but my favourite is probably the Drapers 4-ply

 

 

4 Cream or dark-olive linen

The summer requirement also means we need something a touch more casual than high-twists, which is linen. A heavier, Irish linen will usually look smarter, stay sharper, and be more professional-looking.

Navy and greys usually aren’t great in linen, with the former looking old and the latter rarely being the right shade. They might be what you’d go for instinctively, but it’s good to consider cream, or if that scares you, a very dark olive colour.

Bunch: Most mills don’t develop their own Irish linens, buying them in from mills without much variation. It’s more important to make sure it’s Irish, and the heavy end of the range. More on that here

 

 

5 Grey, olive or dark-brown cords

In order to add something slightly more casual than any of these, I’m including corduroy but in relatively smart colours like very dark brown, olive (basically, a darker and browner shade of green) and grey.

I’ve never worked out why grey (either charcoal or mid-grey) looks better to me as smart cords than navy does. Neither are the conventional colours, but somehow navy always seems to look more wrinkled and dustier than grey.

It might also be that I find navy trousers in general not as versatile with jackets as people expect them to be – largely limited to greys on top. (See article, and much dispute, here.)

Bunch: Everyone does cords, and even though many buy in from Brisbane Moss, if you want something softer or with more variation (eg a wool or cashmere mix) look to non-English mills like Scabal or Loro Piana

 

 

The next five

Have aimed for the most useful, the most comprehensive and versatile, these are five more types of options to consider, particularly based on taste.

Whipcord/cav twill/serge

The nicest materials that are not a suit trouser but still sharp. Serge from Fox is great (above), as is the Dakota bunch from Holland & Sherry. Avoid the country colours and try something like charcoal. The charcoal in the Porter & Harding Thornproof bunch is a purist’s version of that – very tough yet sharp. 

Wool or cotton gabardine

These have the same name, but in reality are rather different. Wool gabardine is particularly smooth and sleek, and I’d recommend it more for formal events. Cotton gabardine is nice, the smartest cotton gets and if you like cotton like cord or moleskin, this has the same cotton touch, but smarter.

Chinos and other cotton twills

I haven’t really included chinos because even when smart, I don’t think they’re the best with jackets. (Even if a smart chino such as this is a great office option with just knitwear.) There are other cotton twills around, however, which can be nice. They’re hard to define because the only thing that unites them really is using finer cotton and a smoother finish. But if they’re in a tailoring book, it’s usually safe to say they fall into this category, rather than being a chino.

 

 

This is of course by no means a complete list. Rather, it’s a selection you can pick and choose from – including multiples – to suit your workplace and lifestyle.

A guy that works in a smart office five days a week, for example, and wants more of a uniform, might have three pairs of grey flannels – with maybe a charcoal and a brown for variation. Another, who moves much more around different places and meetings, might want a mix of cords, flannels and a pair of smart chinos.

Colours can vary similarly. The most important thing to remember there is just navy and grey will always be smarter than green and brown. It should be obvious when you think about it.

I’ve recommended some bunches above, but if anyone has any questions about other things, such as weights, please do ask in the comments below. I’m sure readers will chip in too.

Next up: Casual trousers

 

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Gab

Hi Simon, couldn’t recommand enough the Rubato trousers in cav twill, released this winter. I do not know if you tried them. Great weight and colours, allowing to bridge styles quite easily. A bit wide but given the current trend, I guess in no time this fit will be quite common.

Thorn

A perfectly timed article. I’ve had two meetings this weekend at which I needed to be smart but not too formal. I found my only pair of woollen trousers no longer fitted comfortably and ended up wearing a suit. When I got home from the second meeting I emailed my tailors, Hemingways, to arrange an appointment to discuss trousers. I now have a starting point for when I meet Toby.

Lindsay McKee

This is a brilliant topic,Simon.
Whipcord is a tough fabric. Can an appropriate grey in this kind of fabric be worn with a suit jacket in say Harrison’s Oyster, Botany or H. Lesser fabric.
Secondly, side adjusters. Do these feel more comfortable than wearing a belt, which I currently wear?
That will be an issue when I visit London in September for my first bespoke commission. I never tried braces…I struggle with that one as I have a lower right shoulder. I’ll need advice here.
Lindsay

Lawrence Stuart

Simon/Lyndsay

If I may offer a personal note on braces?

Firstly, they can perfectly accommodate a dropped shoulder as each side is independently adjustable. Secondly, they can have a hugely beneficial effect on the way a trouser hangs, as the line comes from the shoulder and not the waist, meaning the hang is not dependant on rise/tightness at the waist.

And of course, anachronistic or not, they are not seen unless you remove your coat.

Robert M

Firstly, they can perfectly accommodate a dropped shoulder as each side is independently adjustable.”

Unfortunately this isn’t true. I have sloping shoulders, left lower than right, and braces just fall from the left shoulder regardless of how I adjust them.

Lawrence Stuart

Hi Robert. I did make the comment to Simon that his sloping shoulders may be the reason he doesn’t like them.

Andrew

Lindsay, Simon, isn’t one possibility to have side adjusters and buttons for braces as well? Then you can experiment with the braces and if you don’t like them you can rely on the side adjusters. I think trousers made for braces are generally cut a little looser in the waist, so if you don’t use the braces you probably would need to use the side adjusters.

Braces are obviously not to Simon’s taste. I don’t mind the look personally. I wear them because I find that with my particular figure (a flat seat being the most salient issue I think) they are much more effective at actually holding the trousers up, and therefore at keeping a nice crease and a nice line generally. And I find them more comfortable as there is no tension around the waist.

JB

I agree. I tried it but it just felt like someone was pushing my shoulders/having a ever so slight weight on my shoulders all day, to the point I felt fatigue. I tried loosening them but it didn’t seem to help, so I went back to adjusters and pulling my trousers up every now and then.
I’ve recently gotten back into belts, especially for odd trousers and I quite like it.

Lawrence Stuart

Simon on the comfort point, it may be that your very sloping shoulders do not provide much of a platform for your braces to sit on.

Andrew

I have pretty square shoulders and the first couple days I wore braces I found them uncomfortable. I ended up with a quite tired trapezius muscle by the end of the day. Then I loosened them up a few centimeters and I don’t have that problem any longer.

Elio Gianni

All my trousers are cut for braces. I also wear them quite high waisted to elongate my short legs, a side effect of being blessed with Sicilian genes. On my very, very oversquare and fairly broad shoulders I find properly cut braces much more comfortable than just chinching the high waisted trousers taugt. My hips are really narrow and there is not really something to grab on to.

Concerning the anachronistic touch: I wear lots of dark colours and blacks and have a very minimalistic style focused on cut and texture. This brings the whole braced look a bit more into modern times. I would never wear braces with a Glencheck suit or the like… It looks like costume.

Additionally my braces are tailored without adjusters since all my trousers sit at the same height. This helps with comfort, you also do not have adjusters showing through fine summer cloths and unstructured jackets.

The lack of shiny metal clasps simplifies everything and makes them more a minimalistic functional accessory rather than a style statement. Also avoid patterned braces at all cost!!! I personally wear exclusively black so they disappear more and don’t jump out against my dark clothes. For a more “normal” colour palette I could see Navy, dark Grey or Brown working too, but never brightly coloured ones!

A Borda

Hello Andrew

I will second you on braces here. I have a very flat seat and narrow hips, and for the longest time I wore belts rather than using side adjustors because they held up my trousers better, albeit not perfectly.

I recently tried braces on a few suits following the suggestion of my tailor and I am a convert. They hold my trousers up much better than either belts or side adjustors and the line of my trousers looks better now. The benefit of trousers that hang properly and don’t fall down outweighs any risk of looking anachronistic, in my opinion, and since I rarely take off my jacket unless I am alone in my office the look doesn’t matter much anyway.

I will definitely transition all of my suits over to braces over time, but will probably stick with a belt for odd trousers. This mainly because of some of the reasons Simon mentioned in his recent article on wearing more belts: I rarely wear a pocket square or tie with a jacket and trousers, and the belt creates some visual interest.

Best
Andrew

Lindsay McKee

Tremendous advice.
If I were to go for separates, I obviously would be better choosing an appropriate jacket fabric like serge or another jacketing fabric,whatever is correct for a smart ensemble.
Many thanks
Lindsay

Jim Bainbridge

I would not recommend trying to combine side adjusters and braces. For braces to work well, you need a high rise with a braces (fishtail) back. Choose one or the other and commit. And if you choose braces, they *do* look anachronistic if you show them, so not the most versatile option.

One of the benefits of braces is that you don’t need to cinch the waistband in to hold the trousers up – so if a very high rise is genuinely what you want, braces do work well; the same rise with side adjusters or belt means being squeezed right around the tummy, which many men don’t find comfortable.

Opting for a mid rise with side adjusters I’d argue is the best all-around option – this places the adjusters just above the hips, enabling them to hold the trousers up very well in comfort. I will say that this varies by body shape – eg. Simon has frequently stated his preference for wearing jeans without a belt, but I have given up trying to make this work for me.

FWIW, I find braces most comfortable.

M L Santorsola

I’ve worn braces since the late 80’s. They hold your trousers naturally and you don’t have to constantly pull them up and adjust them when wearing a belt.

It’s hard to find braces with catgut nowadays but if you can, they are worth buying.

Ian

I find side adjusters more comfortable than a belt but more suited to formal trousers. I tend to use a belt for casual trousers. For me, braces seem too much of a faff, which would more than outweigh any improvement in how the trousers drape.

Peter Hall

Thinking ahead for (hopefully) warmer days would a darker cotton gabardine fit into ‘smart for summer’ but still lightweight.

Mbb355

Cotton gabardine will rumple more than linen? That doesn’t sound right to me. (Great article btw)

Brendan

Are there any good books for linen/cotton mixes?

Ian

I have a pair of linen/cotton trousers and they tend to rumple rather than to crease, which is perhaps a good distinction to make. I think they are great for summer with a linen shirt.

Rowan Morrison

Hi Simon,
Could you include some potential sources for ready-made trousers as well as fabrics? I am looking to smarten up my trouser collection at the moment but don’t have the time or money to be getting them made bespoke. In particular I am in need of upgrading my grey flannels (my current ones are M&S) and some linen for the summer – I like the idea of olive for these as I already have other summer trousers in cream/beige. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Peter Hall

Rowan.
I have a pair of olive green linen trousers from Cordings. 8 oz weight and hemmed to my length. They get plenty of use in the summer.

Rowan Morrison

Thanks, I will certainly take a look, as I have brown flannel trousers from Cordings which I like a lot.

Aaron

I agree it would make a good article at some point. RTW smart trousers seem a lot more difficult to find.

Dominic

Cavour’s own label range of trousers are excellent. I have them in both flannel and fresco. They’re good value at full price and outstanding value when on sale.

And

I have a heavy cotton and a grey covert from Cavour. Two things to note:

  • they are definitely mid-waist. I’m fine with it, but if you want high-waist, it’s not it.
  • they are fairly slim. I am between sizes, so that worked well in just choosing the size up rather than down.
  • they are distinctively tapered – a bit too much for my taste. There is ample inlay to change that at your own expense though.

I also have a pair from Natalino, dark brown cavalry twill:

  • They are straighter, which I like
  • I had to size down and take out the waist a bit to get the leg line I wanted as they are the opposite of Cavour, i.e. very roomy.
  • Also higher-rise, in principle, but that basically got lost due to sizing down (on the front, while they are still higher in the back, which I find comfortable).
  • They hold a very sharp crease – somehow much sharper than covert

I like them more than Cavour, although it’s hard to make a direct comparison as I have not had the Cavour pair taken out at the leg, and also I ended up not loving the texture of grey covert. I kind of wanted cream covert, which looked to be the best of the shades, but also needed grey trousers, so I ended up with grey covert but probably should have gone either for standard grey flannels or the original cream I wanted.
However, Natalino cavalry twill has a serious problem in the fact they are NOT (half)lined, and indeed very abrasive on the thigh. I have emailed the brand about it, they might change this next season (their flannels are already lined, though, they say).
Finally, also have a pair from Berg&Berg, olive cord, but still have to hem them and wear them. Quite roomy in the leg, but not excessively. A notable thing is that their cotton trousers are machine washable, which I strongly prefer: wool is fine left unwashed for many wears and seldom dry clean, but cotton really isn’t, and dry cleaning every couple of wear is out of the question for me, both costly and time consuming.

M

I agree on Cavour, I’ve considered their trousers in the past but 18cm hem is just not elegant with shoe sizes larger than IT43, you can’t achieve balanced proportions. Not helped by a fact that this is fashion sizing that’s about to be outdated. They should really consider going to ~19,5cm for slim but classic look. But I won’t be a customer anyway now that they moved production to China.

I also agree that for the most part I prefer my cotton and even linen trousers to be washable at home, it has to be something really special for me to deviate from this principle.

Patrick

Rowan,

Would highly recommend Natalino for RTW trousers. They’re UK based but everything is Italian made and very smart. Quality is excellent for RTW at the price point (£200 and below) and customer service is excellent.

Mark

Morning Rowan,

I had exactly the same problem as you and I’ve spent quite a lot of time trying to find RTW flannels. The places I have found that I like are Berg & Berg (although I can’t seem to find any flannels on their website today which is odd as there were some a week or so ago – perhaps they have swapped to Spring/Summer but it might be worth an email to them) and Natalino. There is also Cordings (although I have never managed to get any as they never seem to have my size) and the Anderson & Sheppard haberdashery. I am sure there are others but that is what I have managed to find.

Kind regards

Mark

Ian Leslie

Drakes?

zo

I’v had a couple of Natalino trousers and to be honest I wasnt that impressed. Finishing was not that great. Also, they only come in one single style. I also have about 3-4 Berg Berg trousers and they are finished to a much better quality, and they do trousers in a variety (albeit small)…and they were purchased off their seasonal sales which made them cheaper than Natalino. Others I have are A&S and Husbands which both make good RTW trousers but quite expensive. Husbands surprisingly easy to pair with non-Husbands stuff…you wouldnt think that at first. Anglo Italian does RTW trousers too which seem good, but I have had no experience.

Noa

Considering the price difference that’s not surprising.

Dan James

Hi Rowan,
Pini Parma flannels come in various colours and weights. As do their linen trousers. All unfinished so alter them to suit your own style-with turn-ups or not.

Simon

I bought some mid-grey flannels from suitsupply last year and they were great. I tried Natalino first but found the rise too high for me. I sized up at suitsupply to avoid the leggings look, but once I did I was very happy. Got a few compliments on them too. Planning to repeat with some tropical wool ones for summer.

Dan

Rowan, based on my experience, you should try Incotex. Those are what I wear in RTW and they have different models etc.

Prince Florizel of Bohemia

Thank you for this! May I ask you why do you prefer Drapers 4-ply over Crispaire? Would you say there’s a difference in terms of warmth regarding the fact 4-ply is heavier? Thank you.

Prince Florizel of Bohemia

Thank you. Is their 2-ply version you efer to Ascot, such as this one? https://drapersitaly.it/us-en/collection/18022/ Is is still hight twist? Thank you.

A Borda

Hello, I have tried many high twist bunches over the years and agree with Simon that Ascot 4 ply is a great bunch.

I have three suits made of it. It holds a crease, hangs well and has lots of interesting colors.

My personal favourite is 4 ply Finmeresco by Smiths. It hangs better than any other high twist I’ve tried, seemingly never wrinkles and is dry but not as scratchy as Fresco. The only downside is that there are relatively few colors.

I personally don’t like Crispaire very much. It is quite soft and with a less dry finish compared to Ascot 4-ply and firmeresco and I find the colors to be quite flat. I had some trousers made from it but sold them because I didn’t like the fabric.

best regards
Andrew

Lawrence Stuart

Fully agree. Smith 4 ply is a great cloth.

Prince Florizel of Bohemia

Brilliant. Thank you.

Ajbjasus

Pretty much spot on Simon, although I do have some darkish blue pin head formal trousers which I find really useful with grey or brown jackets.

As an aside, I really can’t do loafers, especially with e low vamp, with formal trousers, particularly if they have turn-ups. Might be because I have small feet , 7.5 for my height, but it’s a real no-no. Can’t handle very fine socks either maybe for similar reasons.

PS I have some unworn black suede St Crispin noorveger stitched loafers on Marrkt, if anyone wants to spice up spring !

Aaron

Good article. Odd trousers always seem exceptionally seasonal – is there any particular cloth that would be good as a 4 season cloth to be worn with odd jackets of about same formality as the high-twist wools? In my head I always think of pick-and-pick, nailhead and herringbone but also worried about being too suit-y.

Goose

No mention of covert trousers. Any particular reason for not including them? I always fine they fill the casual smart gap quite well.

zo

have you got some write up that differentiates between covert, whipcord and cavalry twill?

JB

Even though they are different in texture, covert especially, the three always seems to be interchangeable when looking at pictures. I assume it’s down to poor image text, but I often find covert described as cavalry twill.

Lawrence Stuart

Covert cloth is not for trousers or suits. It is for topcoats.

Lawrence Stuart

I think simply because covert cloths were designed to be made into dense, thornproofs for topcoats. They were never intended to be made into trousers.

JB

I have covert trousers and have seen several great looking suits in it. I think it’s a nice and subtle way to add some texture to a fall/winter suit.

Christopher Lee

I’ve been seeing a bunch of covert trousers of late at Spier and Mackay and Cavour among the RTW brands.

Andrew

I have a pair of greenish-brown Covert trousers and love them. They have quickly become my favourite trousers for the weekend or occasions when I want to look put together but not too formal.

I personally am not too fussed that Covert was originally designed for topcoats. There are plenty of examples of fabrics being used successfully for different uses than originally intended: my tailor F. Caraceni has shown me examples of heavy Cavalry twill top coats they’ve done for clients, Simon’s Liverano tweed ulster, and YSL in denim suits come immediately to mind.

Gary Mitchell

I have a covert cloth suit… wears excellent and I would say lighter than my tweed suits. Give it a try.

Cameron

Simon, I always love these lists as they tend to put everything that we kind-of-already-know into an efficient expression of that knowledge.

The issue that arises (as you stated in your opening paragraph) is that there can be such variation between individuals. That said, if someone like myself, who lives in the American Southeast, needs to fully remove any flannels at all due to the generally warmer temps, what would your short-list look like? I know that VBC and others make lightweight flannel fabrics but they seem to wear out much more quickly due to the nature of the finishing.

I don’t need you to re-write your article, of course. Just a shortlist would be very much appreciated. As always, thanks so much for your response.

Craig

Grey cords are a really great choice, yet it’s hard to find them RTW, and I’m not sure why. Cords are a classic trouser material, grey is a classic trouser color.

Aaron

I have a pair of grey cords I used to wear to work, but to be honest I find them a little boring. I guess that’s okay in trousers, and not as bad as grey chinos, but I absolutely would choose grey wool trousers or cotton cords in almost any other colour over them.

Rogey

AngloItalian has charcoal cords. They are lighter, fine wale Italian cords, not heavy English ones. I have a pair and they are some of the most versatile trousers I own. I’m a big fan of AngloItalian RTW trousers and have them in flannel, cotton, and linen.

Jon

Anglo – Italian usually carry a lovely Grey in their Cord offering each season

Kev F

Craig, Angloitalian have a charcoal cord tailored trouser. I have the style in a dark navy and they are excellent.

OP

Right! Perfect. I’ve been looking forward to this one. Thanks.

Daniel

Hi Simon,

Fantastic article! Looking forward to your future article on casual trousers, too!

Just a quick question. What sort of footwear do you wear with your dark brown flannels? I love my pair… but always have trouble picking shoes to go with them.

Tamaki

Hey Simon,

Thanks for another article, and also thanks for the other readers to engage on it. There are so many useful discussions!

I have a question about to pair brown trouser with brown jackets. Would you normally avoid it? And if you had to do it anyway, how would you try to make it work?

Ex: I feel that the brown escorial tweed would be a bit weird with the pair of charcoal brown flannels from Fox. But even a greater contrast, like tobacco colored high 4 ply feels a bit strange in my mind. Or is it only me?

Tamaki

Thanks Simon,

Could you help me out a bit more? In this regard to brown trousers, what sort of shade would you think would still got well with the brown escorial. For example, would you wear the escorial with taupe (such as the ones offered by The Anthology) or the chino in kaki color from Rubato?

Mervyn

Olive green gets a couple of mentions here. I’m quite tempted to give it a try but will I find it difficult to pair them with a separate jacket?

Stephan

What grey jackets do you suggest as odd jackets, Simon? I’ve always had difficulty finding something suitable for this, other than grey herringbone tweed or perhaps specked winter-weights. For 3-season or warm weather I struggle finding something suitable for a good odd grey jacket, unless it is perhaps a gun-club with a grey base.

A few suggestions for Mervyn on pairing olive green trousers, from my experience of what has worked well: beige or off-white or cream jackets are the best, various shades of brown can work but it is a bit of trial and error, if you’re feeling preppy you can add a bold striped shirt and it would work well with blazers or other dark blue sport coats.

YiXiang

I’m a big fan of olive trouser(although most I wear are olive chinos).I think it’s great to pair with brown sport jacket or navy blazer.

Stephan

I second this motion, missed the comment and went ahead making mine 🙂

Brendan

I live in a subtropical, humid climate and rarely have a need for a jacket. I’m wondering if you think high twist trousers would work with a smart polo on its own (say, the PS one), without a jacket. I’m wondering if the smartness of creased high twist trousers may be a bit too much for just a polo (I also wonder about turnups in this situation too – I wonder if trousers may be better without turnups if no jacket is worn).

hugh

I for one, think that it can actually look really nice. Especially when it’s 90+F and humid.

JB

Simon, any tips on where to source Irish linens outside of the tailor? I tend to use luxire a fair amount for trousers but their offerings of good Irish linens are not great. I’ve yet to find any linens heavier than 250grams online.

Johannes D

Hello Sir!
You can order by yourself from Dugdale (e.g. the Lisburn bunch which is a 350g Irish Linen I think) as they sell to consumer.
Luxire also has Dugdale on offer, so maybe they can even order for you if you ask.

Simon

Hi Simon. For someone who wears a combo of white shirts/ navy knitwear/ navy outerwear on top, and brown leather/ suede on the feet, would you suggest brown or charcoal flannels as a second choice to mid-grey? Brown feels a little scary!

Simon

Thank you

David B

Very useful article. Thank you, Simon.

To clarify on this point, would you wear charcoal trousers with the type of dark navy jackets and knitwear you’ve suggested elsewhere?

David B

Understood. Thank you, Simon. As a second choice to mid-grey, would you instead favour a brown (i.e. https://www.permanentstyle.com/2021/05/the-t-shirt-under-tailoring.html or brown flannel) for relatively formal offices who wear a lot of navy and grey jackets/knitwear on top? Or would you go for something more like your beige cavalry twill? 

David B

Thank you, Simon. Much appreciated.

Jim Bainbridge

Nice list, I have to say I’m a big fan of my dark green cav twills

Georgios

A really great article which sumes up all many good chices for someone who wears formal a lot. It would be very interesting to see a more casual version too. By the way can you tell more about the brown jacket with the cream trousers ?

Alan

This is a good list, although personally I feel that mid-grey cavalry twill is a better choice than mid-grey flannel. It’s just as versatile and almost at the same formality level but I find the durability and crease resistance makes it a more practical option.

I’m surprised that grey cords are so uncommon. I could not find any off the rack and when I ordered some from a Brisbane Moss fabric it had to be rewoven first. Yet navy cords are everywhere despite being a much less useful colour.

Richard W

Great article and very timely.
Have you tried H&S Airesco as an alternative for a summer weight trouser? I have a pair and find they hold their sharpness well whilst remaining light and cool to wear during summer.

Richard W

Hi Simon
Those are my only high twists in a beautiful mid-grey. My other bespoke odd trousers are heavier twills. However, with April around the corner it’s time to get back to see W&S, so I can see an additional pair being ordered. So, your list was very welcome in giving ideas on cloth and colour

hugh

I have tried it. It feels much silkier than the Ascot and the Fox Air, and I found the handle wasn’t as dry (which I prefer). I prefer the Ascot 4- and 2-plys, then the Fox, then the Airesco

Magnus

Is “tropical wool” considered high twist or is it fine worsted? I’ve always been confused about what it actually is

joshgtv

This looks suspiciously like nine pairs to me Simon… I also find it hard to err on the minimalist side.

Tamaki

Hi Simon another question, if I may:

When buying separate cords trousers, would you go for small wale or thicket ones? I feel that thicker ones look a bit “oldish” to me

monty

After much thinking and planning I have now been able to build a wardrobe of trousers in just a month, ‘all thanks to you’. I now have a pair of (Olive green Linen, charcoal grey wool trouser, dark grey tailored cotton trouser and beige tailored cotton trouser).
The only area I am struggling with is a pair of informal trousers which could work during weekend but ready to wear chinos is not a good fit on my body and jeans is very difficult to wear in summer.
So I wanted to know, can smart trousers like these get used in the weekend as well?
Do you ever dress in that manner?
Maybe keep smarter trousers and dressing down everything else, for ex wear a polo with linen trousers and espadrilles.

Anon

Just a quick question on style: I have particularly large thighs and often RTW/MTM trousers are too tight for my waist size. Do pleats help with this, or should I simply size up in the waist and have them brought in later. To broke for bespoke atm.

John J

Recently commissioned my first grey flannels. They look so smart and are so comfortable to wear – just a revelation. Would definitely buy more.

John J

And as further proof – wore them at the office today with a new brown tweed jacket (bought at the same time as the trousers, largely based on your jacket recommendations), blue Oxford shirt, brown suede Chelsea boots – colleague said “you’re looking very dapper”. Usually I’m in a suit from the same tailor and tie. This isn’t quite as smart but it’s fine for day to day office wear without formal meetings – and comfortable when it’s bitter as it is in London today.

AH.

Hi Simon, for a person to start with a pair of smart cotton trousers, would you recommend Drapers cotton bunch or H&S Dakota? Thank you

Michael Harry Artan

Hi Simon. Concerning your reluctance to pair chinos, even smart chinos, with jackets, it seems chinos can go quite well with a variety of cotton jackets.

Michael Artan

I think brushed cotton nicely complements typical Chino fabrics. And in cases with similar materials, calibrating similar tones can result in an appealing airy look.

Ian A

Nice! But naturally this type of article will make me ponder on the possibility of ‘If you only had five casual trousers’.

Ben R

What is your recommendation for weights in regards to Corduroy or Mokeskin from Brisbane Moss?

David

Hello Simon! Not sure why, but for me gray doesn’t quite work in either linen or cotton (even corduroy). Do you think that might be because gray is such a formal color? I find gray needs some texture or variegation where linen and cotton usually look flat.

On the subject of linen, most creams I’ve seen were fairly see-through. Have you found any way to mitigate that, barring a full lining?

I also note there’s surprisingly little beige in your selection. Is there any particular reason for that?

Lastly, how do you feel about cotton trousers? You have some very nice-looking examples from Dalcuore and P. Johnson among others, but somehow cotton trousers look a bit like you’re trying to pass off a pair of chinos as dress pants — just like people wearing brown leather sneakers with a suit in lieu of dress shoes.

David

Do you mean a beige high twist wouldn’t be as formal or that you wouldn’t have high twist made in that color? Personally beige/oatmeal is one of my favorite colors for trousers, including high twist like this one from Standeven: https://www.standevenfabrics.co.uk/product/27036-beige-brown-plain/)

YiXiang

Hello Simon,I’m living in tropical(Winter is about 15~24 degrees,Autumn and Spring are about 18~28 degrees , Summer is about 25~35 degrees.). if I had five smart trouser would be 1.Charcoal high-twist 2.Mid-grey high-twist 3.Beige linen 4.Olive linen 5.Beige cavalry twill for winter. Do you have any suggetion?

DrBruno

Hi Simon. Another great article and very helpful. I’m a bit confused where a pair of dark brown covert twill pants fit. You mentioned a whipcord or calvary twill as an alternative to dark brown flannels, but then stated that you would avoid country colors for the ‘next 5’. Can you clarify please?

DrBruno

Thanks! Helpful

ayush

What color of trousers do you prefer to wear in the evening?
Do you prefer dark or light colored?

Ian

Compared to flannel, how well does cavalry-twill hold its shape? Would there be any tendancy to bag at the knee, for example?

Ian

Thanks. Would the same also be true of whipcord?

m

While I own 3 colours of grey high-twists for when I need them, I do find myself most often going for linen in summertime, usually cheaper rtw items that I don’t need to worry about. When I can’t get away with linen shorts I opt for lighter shade of navy or a bit darker blue linen trousers and just with cotton shirt I find those work very well.
Blue has that youthful, crisp and fresh summery feel and works amazing when paired with white and white-blue/white-x striped shirts. For shoes you can go with trainers or other semi-formal shoes like you would go with chinos. I find this outfit perfect for running errands in downtown for example. Come evening you can also switch the shirt for a knit, something like merino ones from Smedley or knit polo/sweater from PS shop.
Since I’ve only had experience with cheaper light weight linen I wonder how 350g+ Irish linen performs? Somehow it feels counter-intuitive to have more fabric in an hot summer day when you just can’t stop sweating.

m

Then I must have something made out of it for coming summer and for dark olive colour recommended this heavier weight would probably work better as I prefer my pants slightly smarter.

Can I ask you for an opinion on Ascot 6ply. I’ve considered having pair made out of it for a while but I’m not entirely sure yet. I see it gets a lot of praise for being basically cavalry twill of summer: very wrinkle resistant, holds crease, and drapes well but breeze still goes right through so it’s wearable during normal summer days.

What makes me cautious is that I rarely see it in the wild, I don’t think I’ve read that even you have high-twist of this weight made up? Is it that people just instinctively don’t feel need for 480g summer trousers or are there some other factors at play?

Alexander

Dear Simon! The cloth from your grey ciardi suit is a 4ply from VBC if I remember correctly? I think I have the same cloth in two trousers that I started wearing again at the start of spring. I really enjoy the VBC 4ply. It is quite hefty, around 400 grams. Although maybe a touch too dark to be called mid-grey. Do you also use these trousers from ciardi as an odd trouser? Cheers

Scott

Simon, what’s your opinion of a linen/silk blend, usually 60/40, as a substitute for the traditional linen pant?

LS95

Hi Simon,

I am looking for a few pairs of spring to early fall odd trousers for return to office in NYC. I have ordered from Rota in the past and plan to order from their MTO program. They offer a 4-ply 420 gram fabric and 2-ply 240 gram fabric. Do you have a view on what would be better for three season wear (I have flannel for colder months).

DrBruno

Hi Simon. Me again. I really like how you pair beige calvary wool twill pants with your odd jackets and would really like to pull off the look. However, I am having a hard time figuring it out. I know the jacket should be dark and it looks great in a green or brown hue. Any advice? I’ve included an image of a pair of beige Rota calvary wool twill with an Orazio country hue jacket. I think it works, but not sure.



DrBruno

Hello Simon. Me again. I really like how you pair a cream Calvary Twill in wool with an odd jacket and would like to do same. I am, however, having a hard time figuring it out. I think that a darker jacket in green or brown tone works well, but am not sure on the ‘rules’. Can you help out? I’ve attached a pic of a Rota beige pant in wool calvary twill with an Orazio Luciano jacket in green/brown hues. I think it works, but not really sure. Appreciate your thoughts.



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Great, thanks!

TM

Anyone have a recommendation for a good dark-olive heavy linen yet? I feel like that has been a gap in everyones offerings for a long time

Henry

Hi Simon, as I understand you already received your recent commissioned trousers in dark olive linen and therefore was wondering would you recommend this particular fabric from MH? And how would you pair it? Versatile enough? BR H

E.O.

Hi Simon, what would you say about patterned trousers? Like a very subtle glen check in grey wool.

Samuel Schuler

Simon, for what it’s worth, I do think most if not all of your trousers are just a tad too short and too wide at their trouser leg. Naturally, as you are wearing knee-length socks you would never reveal skin (when sitting or when the legs are pulled up). Though I think they would look better if somewhat lower and less wide at their trouser leg. Curious to hear your – and the readers’ – views upon this “criticism” and your reasoning for how you choose that length. Perhaps I am the only one who thinks that.

Peter Hall

I certainly agree…Cuffs, hems, trouser width and breaks.

All totally uncontroversial and not likely to raise anyones blood pressure.

Samuel Schuler

Thank you, Simon, for your response and personal view on the matter.

Benn

Simon,

If you were to replace 1 and 2 for a closer to “all weather” option – what would you suggest? Where would you place a mid brown/tobacco option? Like Fox Air high twist in tobacco or a light brown hopsack?

Benn

Thank you. When wearing odd jackets it’s mostly Navy jackets with white shirts. And by “all weather” I should have said warmer weather options. As you’re right there’s no one “all weather”.

I suspect it would be mostly high twist, and linen, and hopsack, etc. In hindsight, I guess the better question would be what colors to focus on if your focused on spring and summer weight pants exclusively, due to climate.

Benn

Thank you, Sir. I greatly appreciate your patience and opinion. I know you have better things to do, so giving of your time is so generous. Especially for younger men like me who have no one else to ask

Kyle

Hi Simon,
I was wondering how mid-grey flannels compare to mid-grey high twist in terms of formality. Thanks in advance.

Kyle

Hi Simon,
What type of fabric in mid-grey would match or come close to the formality of flannels? Thank you in advance.

Kyle

Nothing at all. In fact, I would love to have flannels for fall and winter but would also love to have something for spring and summer.

Kris

Hi Simon,

Great article as always. Whitcomb and Shaftsbury now charge around £800 per pair of trousers. Would you still recommend them or do you know of other places with better value?

Cheers,

Kris

Kris

Yes that’s for their offshore service.

Great, thanks for the opinion. Are your recommendations for RTW/MTM still the same as the ones in the complete capsule article (Berg & berg, Anderson & Sheppard, Stoffa)?

Thanks again,

Kris

PM

Hi Simon,

I’ve been fortunate to have several pairs of trousers made by pomella Napoli, although I now realise I have probably fallen foul of ‘kid in a candy shop’ syndrome and ordered commissions without a plan in place.

Whilst I’m very happy with what I own and the quality of such, I wanted to get your thoughts regarding gaps. Specifically I currently have;
-Flannel: Mid grey and brown
-Cavalry Twill: Greeny brown
-Cotton: Stone, Mustard, Light Green

Very grateful for your input.

HP

Why don’t you write a book “Building a wardrobe”?

Ian

Does anyone have any thoughts on black flannels? Fox offers that colour but I’m not sure if they would really work – black somehow seems more suitable for worsted or demim than flannel.

P.A.

A question for my fellow (French) PS readers: any recommendations of good RTW or MTM brands for trousers in Paris ?

Jack

Hi Simon, I have never tried bespoke trousers, and I would like to ask for your advice on the choices.

I am considering making mid-grey flannel trousers and am not sure whether I should choose Marco Cerrato or Whitcomb&Shaftesbury. I assume both are great in terms of quality and style, but if the trousers would be my first flannels and I am aiming to wear them often, which would you recommend?

Many thanks,
Jack

Jack

Thanks, Simon. Visually I can tell the difference, but technically, what would be the main difference between the two (British and Italian)?

Also, just wondering whether you know their starting prices?

Jack

Thanks, would your go-to fabric, Fox flannels classic, fall into a slightly higher price category?

Jack

Thanks, could I ask where you had the beige dress chinos from the above image? They look really nice.

Jack

Thanks, Simon. I think it was cavalry twill.

Nathan

Ha! To my surprise these are exactly the 5 trousers I own. Not a bad start for a young academic, I suppose. I particularly love my Irish Linen trousers as they are compatible with almost every item in my wardrobe, and comfortable to boot.