The deep indigo of this linen shirt from D’Avino, for example, is significantly quietened by the navy blazer over the top, and makes that top half a story in tonal variation.
Indigo can also be hard to find good trousers for. I rarely find I like it with grey, for example, which is frustrating given how many grey trousers I own.
Better usually is a pale or military shade of green (such as these Incotex chinos), or cream and naturals (pictured).
Cream might be the most versatile of any trouser colour in menswear, but it is rather impractical. Easier is a natural, more oatmeal-y colour like the linen here. (Harrison’s Mersolair 28109, made to measure by Ambrosi.)
Natural colours can take a little dirt and dust, and they often have natural flecks that help hide small marks.
The shots, by the way, were taken after a morning walking around the streets of Naples. Regular readers will know that as a rule I like to photograph tailoring after it has been worn, rather than fresh from the presser. It’s so much more realistic.
The jacket was made by Ettore de Cesare (outside whose workshop these shots were taken, up in Vomero) and was previously reviewed here.
Made in Holland & Sherry mesh fabric (not actually hopsack, strictly speaking) it has proved just as versatile as I hoped.
The only issue is it’s a little short, and the next piece Ettore will make for me (a dark-green corduroy) will be 1-2 centimetres longer.
Elsewhere here, I’m wearing Sagans from Baudoin & Lange in the bark-grey colour I worked with them on. I still find it interesting how versatile that colour is.
And the hat is my sisal straw from Anderson & Sheppard.
I usually reach for this rather than my Brent Black panama, even though the latter is more finely made. Unfortunately I think the shape of Brent’s piece isn’t quite right for my face (a little too square in the crown).
These are the perils of ordering online, and perhaps a reminder that style always trumps craft (though of course we aim for both).
The sunglasses are 1950s Ray-Ban Caravans in filled 12k gold-filled wire.
The Caravan was the first style Ray Ban made explicitly for civilian use, having previously only produced models for sport and the military. It was their view of a clean, mid-century modern look.
I got this pair from vintage dealer Retrospecs last year, when they were showing at Pitti. (They made a film of myself and a few others in the industry which is on their Instagram.)
Originally gold-filled pairs are relatively rare, as most were melted down over the years for their gold content. Retrospecs specialises in old pieces like this – and repairs them, with mine adding gold-filled nose pads to the frame for example.
Retrospecs have their own stores in LA, San Francisco and Las Vegas, and then supply around 250 opticians around the world, including 36 Opticians in London and Bergdofs in New York.
I usually wear yellow metals, but the metal here has a little warmth to it, and I particularly liked the fineness of the frame
I think the shape suits my face too, given it’s not too wide. Which is good, as it means I haven’t fallen into the same trap as the panama – ignoring style in favour of craft.
They’ll make a lovely accessory during Pitti this week.
Photography: Jamie Ferguson @jkf_man
Dear Simon,
A well written post as usual.
Regarding the pants: maybe there’s a lack of understanding on my side, but how does the versatility of cream that you mentioned and its impracticality go together? Isn’t this kind of contradictive?
Hi – good point, I’m probably assuming a little too much there from previous posts.
Cream is very versatile in terms of colour, in that it goes with pretty much any colour of jacket, shirt, shoe etc. It is a blank canvas from that point of view.
However, it is not very practical in terms of getting dirty easily. You will end up having to wash it more than other trousers.
(Note: compared to grey for example, it is also not as versatile in terms of propriety – situations in which it can be worn)
I love seeing the caravan model here. Its one of those models that seems to have taken a back seat compared to aviators, wayfarer and clubmaster. Although these ones are really making my standard gold model look poor by comparison. I am also really glad the Bark Grey colour is proving versatile on the Sagans – mine arrive tomorrow.
The jacket appears to have slightly roped shoulders, whereas you normally avoid these for more casual outfits I think? Was this purely to stick to the offered house style or a change in direction?
Good spot – house style. I guess it’s also a little more formal being navy, than some sports jackets
You could reduce the level of formality by swapping the buttons for e.g. a greyish mother of pearl. Their mesh is a great summer fabric.
On the sunnies, if you were in Naples you should be sporting Persol!!
I’d probably swap for darker brown – I’ve always found mother of pearl to be smarter and more formal if anything. Yes on mesh
Simon, can you recommend an online shop that sells good-quality buttons? I’m looking for an upgrade to my navy jacket buttons – preferably matte brown horn or mother-of-pearl. I recall you mentioning the Button Queen, is that a shop you’d still recommend?
It’s a vintage shop that closed down unfortunately.
Try Bernstein & Banleys
Persol are from Agordo in northern Italy – a long way from Naples, both geographically and culturally.
I see a tad wrinkling in the arms of the mesh SC. Best to cut it a tad longer to account for it?
Also, do you have the code? Thanks!
Only a tiny bit.
Details on the cloth on the previous review post. It is Mesh Blazers 1730 bunch at Holland & Sherry
Simon
Great fan here, but you really are getting more and more of a Pitti man!
Style always trumps craft… the old SC would have never said such a thing!
Interesting. I think I would have said even at the start that fit was the most important thing, not craft. Indeed I wrote that pretty obsessively – and fit is what we’re talking about here in terms of the line and size of a hat, for example.
However, what I have also come to realise in recent years is that you need style as well as craft and fit – and that this is where so many bespoke artisans fall down. No matter how well made the product, or how perfect the fit, it also needs to suit you and your environment, and look good. We don’t write about that too much because so many other places talk about style and never mention craft, but the style requirement is always there.
….and also this blog’s name is permanent style and not permanent craft 🙂
“Style always trumps craft”…
I very much disagree.
I find one looks far better in a Tom Ford windsor jacket than most bespoke customers do.
Are the most acclaimed bespoke tailors not those with a strong sense of Style (Cifo, Sexton, Huntsmann,…)? And I would not dare to say that their craft is bad.
Hi Gonzague.
I think I should have phrased that better. I meant, rather, that you can look good in something that has style but no craft. You cannot look good in something that has craft but no style.
Your comment about Tom Ford seems to suggest you think style is more important though?
And no, I disagree on bespoke tailors. I think Lorenzo is one of the best cutters in the world, but I wouldn’t have him design my wardrobe. Neither Edward nor Huntsman. But I would happily give that to Saman Amel, Mark Cho, Alan See, Ethan Newton, Mats Klingberg etc
Sorry, It is my english: from your reply, we seem to agree on the importance of style.
The names you mentioned make good classics, but I like classics with a touch of magic/drama, therefore my wardrobe would ifeally be designed by TF, Cifo,…(both for jacket/suits, definitely not for shoes).
I see, thanks
Ok the , Simon, here’s one for you.
I have £2000 do I
a – buy a 42 R Tom Ford
Or
b – go to a tailor and say “make me a suit in a Tom Ford cut”
It depends how important style is for you Vs fit. You won’t get fit with the former and you run a risk of not getting the style you want with the latter
Interesting …. I always thought the battle was style v fashion but your response suggests style v fit is also a fight of consideration .
When Simon interprets Gonzague’s praise of Tom Ford to mean style over craft, I remember Sator and others at Cutter & Tailor who severely criticize Ford’s tailoring.
I had a sport jacket made by Vergallo in the same mesh fabric. It’s great for warmer weather.
Honestly I don’t like the colour combo of the navy jacket + indigo shirt.
I don’t know how does it look like on natural light, but on the photos, the two shades of blue clash with each other.
I would either look for a much closer shade of blue. Or I will check if any shade of tan, tobacco, or brown would suit this indigo shirt. It would be challenging for sure.
Apart from that, the weave and patch pockets are not enough to bring the jacket on the same formality level as the shirt. This jacket is still very formal from a distance of a couple of meters. A fabric with some natural irregularities like linen, shantung, or dupioni would have been in my opinion a better choice for combinations with this shirt.
I usually like the combos you do. This is one very seldom case where I honestly don’t think that the colours and fabrics fit each other.
Thanks for your view Hristo, appreciated
Hi,
“I would either look for a much closer shade of blue.” Really?! Strange!
John
Hristo, you would look for a much closer shade of blue? Why monotone? By the way, Simon’s shade of indigo is clearly different from navy blue – the difference is pleasing?
Obviously this is a matter of taste and this is subjective.
For me there are 2 main ways to combine 2 colours – you either go for colours that are very similar or you go for high contrast. As the indigo shirt is dark, it is very difficult to achieve a nice contrast by going darker. Dark blue, or dark grey, or dark brown – to me they all look wrong and clashing with such shirt. So you are left with either a monochrome upper part of the body or you have to look for a lighter or more vivid jacket which would create a very peacocky look.
As a matter of fact maybe the best way to combine this indigo shirt is to wear it without a jacket on a hot summer day.
I can see your point Hristo, perhaps as a starting point. But then it’s hard to fit into that why an olive might work much better with indigo than a similarly dark grey. There are other layers to it for me, one of them being warmer and colder colours
Definitively!
I would agree with you. Summer is for light colors. This ensemble is too dark for the season.
What do you think of Cad and the Dandy
I can’t really comment Sebastian, I’ve never tried them.
Hi Simon,
This is a nice outfit! I wonder why the length of the blazer still bothers you. Frankly, for … a Summer navy blazer, it’s fairly fine.
A sober remark about cream trousers.
John
Where does the pocket square come from?
Thanks.
Great post.
A&S
These trousers seem to be linen and you’re wearing a linen shirt. Yet another exception to your recommendation not to wear a linen top when you’re wearing linen trousers?
No, that was about jackets and trousers.
Simon,
Wheres the best option in London to purchase a hat to keep the sun off ones head on an Italian beach this summer? (RTW not Bespoke)…
Try Lock, Bates and Christy’s. All very close to each other
Do you rate each of those? I know another well known hatter fairly publicly slates Lock.
Being a 64-65 hat size unfortunately I don’t have many choices.
They’re all pretty similar. Decent quality and you’re paying a bit more for the location. Lock a bit more again for the name.
The caravans are lovely sunglasses. It’s actually great they aren’t as ubiquitous as aviators or the other classic Ray Bans
Interesting. I like the colour combo Simon.. I would have gone for a mid blue but the indigo is better. There is also a mild sleight of hand in the matching; as one comment points out the jacket seems too formal for the ensemble but it works as the natural linen trousers are cut so well and therefore retain good clean shape (despite the characteristics of linen).
Re. the Button Queen ; whilst the London shop is closed the business now operates online and is based in Wales. Following your mention in an article I visited the shop and bought a few items. It was a real find – a pity it has gone but I hope the business may last in its new guise.
Do you judge cream colour as impractical because it shows any soiling?
If an indigo shirt clashes with gray trousers, do you include light gray?
Yes on soiling, and usually yes on light grey
Would that outfit work with jeans?
Not for me – the jacket is too smart, and I wouldn’t wear indigo with denim, even if it’s washed and so looks a little different
Excellent colour combination and one I often sport myself.
In warm weather it’s perfect in cities for both day and dinner.
OK, the jacket is a little short but it is marginal and as you say it is something you can fix next time.
In terms of colour matching an indigo linen shirts. I also find that they go with a light tobacco colour. I have an A&S work jacket in heavy linen in this colour and they go perfectly.
Not keen at all on the shades Simon. I don’t think they are the correct shape for your face and look to be too narrow. I also think you need a more substantive frame to balance the outfit. Try a Cutler & Gross 128. They might work for you.
It’s a good looking outfit for me. Yes, you could go for a paler blue shirt (still in linen), as you could a pink or even a white, but I see nothing wrong with this at all.
I always think a tortoise frame looks better on sunglasses than metal, but it’s a very personal thing. I’ve got a pair with a yellowish frame and bluish lens, which would sit perfectly.
Brava!
Most of my acquaintances hate white trousers. Besides the impracticality point raised here, I don’t get it. I think they add so much more vivacity to an outfit—like the one here—compared with other light shades. Maybe it’s because I’ve never seen Miami Vice.
Thoughts on a white replacement here, Simon? I know you’ve endorsed it with light suede in the past.
White can be nice, but it’s not very sartorial or smart – normally cream is better there.
And both are a bit more showy than off-white or oatmeal
Simon,
How do you transport your hat when traveling – in a box?
I just carry it in the hand. A bit annoying, but boxes are so cumbersome
The glasses work very well with your face. Adding the beard takes it to the moon.
Hi Simon, all, any ideas of nice RTW trousers (with side adjusters) in this “natural” colour? I don’t have the time to go bespoke…
Thanks
Hi Simon
When pairing cream/tan/natural trousers with a navy jacket how should you vary the shade of trouser with the the shade/depth of navy in the Jacket? When the Jacket is a lighter navy should the trousers be lighter beige/tan or darker with a more yellow/khaki cast?
There isn’t any matching one way or the other, just bear in mind you need to maintain sufficient contrast, and ones that are warmer or more yellow colours will tend to be a little more casual. On the contrast point, often lighter navy or mid-blue might be better with lighter trousers
Dear Simon, would you mind telling us what number of the H&S mesh blazer bunch is the cloth your jacket is made from? Thank you!
MESH BLAZERS HS 1730
Thank you, Simon! This is the name of the bunch, since there are more then just one navy and several blue swatches, I was wondering if you could possibly share the code of a specific fabric your jacket is made from. Is it 307004? I’m sorry for bothering you.
No worries, sorry I had forgotten that was the bunch. I don’t have the code but I can ask H&S for it
Thank you, that would be lovely. I’m concidering ordering a jacket from this material and would be curious to know about your choice.
Dear Simon, may I ask you if you had a chance to ask H&S about the code? Thank you!
I did but I haven’t received a reply yet, sorry…
Hi Simon. I second the request for the code of your Mesh jacket! Is it perhaps 307004 (navy mesh solid) or 307003 (midnight mesh solid)?
Sorry, and sorry everyone else above! Yes, it was 307004
Thank you Simon. Sorry to insist on this but I just saw the Mesh blazers bunch and 307004 looks much lighter in person, almost blue. I suspect yours is 307003 even though it is called midnight. Here you can see both:
http://apparel.hollandandsherry.com/en/fabric/browse-by-use/jackets/307004-mesh-blazers-navy-mesh-solid
http://apparel.hollandandsherry.com/en/fabric/browse-by-use/jackets/307003-mesh-blazers-midnight-mesh-solid
No problem, yes it looks like that, yet they said it was 004 when I checked. I’ll ask again…
Very nice colors Simon. I am thinking of commissioning a bespoke shirt by 100hands. Struggling between a denim cotton linen shirt of indigo blue and a 100% cotton denim shirt of same color. I like the custom fade of a denim shirt while I want to wear in hot and humid weather. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance
If you don’t have one already, I’d go for the cotton denim – more versatile. Also worth considering our Everyday Denim cloth as that will fade the most
Thank you Simon. I love the color tone of your Every Day Denim. However, I asked you before – it’s something too thick for HK hot and humid weather. Right?
Ah, yes it is for some of the year there, but only on the way any denim will be
My closet has gradually become more and more indigo and navy recently, and I saw some olive green canvas Palladium shoes I really love, but am not sure if they would go with most of what I have now (not dress clothes. Very workwear/casual. I have my black wingtips for my suits).
Would it look good or horribly clash?
Thank you
So olive canvas shoes with navy workwear trousers? No it could work – ideally if the green is quite dark
Which Neapolitan tailor is best value for money and consistency? I’m visiting in the summer and would like to get a pattern with a tailor I can count on to produce suits and jackets straight to finish for future orders.
Perhaps Ciardi on my experience so far – but the two things are often opposed. Younger tailors will often be cheaper but not that consistent
Hey Simon would you say an indigo linen shirt is more versatile than a dark navy one? Am planning to do a MTO with drakes as a button down shirt but deciding between the two colours
I think they’re pretty similar – you wouldn’t wear either with navy or denim trousers.
1) Wouldn’t navy linen look good with mid wash denim?
2) Is wearing linen with jeans a fashion mistake and would you wear the same as both are casual in a way?
Linen can look a little smart with jeans – it’s a casual tailoring material, but still fairly smart overall. Navy can look a little smart being a darker, smarter colour as well. The important things in making it work are the linen and the style of shirt, rather than the colour
hi simon i’m trying to expand my wool trouser wadrobe (currently all grey) and the requirement is that any new pair made up has to go with a navy jacket.
I’m looking at a tan whipcord by H&S (http://apparel.hollandandsherry.com/en//9518301-dakota-tan-whipcord). Would something like this work? Its strange that I seldom see men pair navy jackets with tan wool trousers. Most wear tan cotton trousers over wool ones.
It should do, yes – the only issue is that it is a bit more warm, a bit more rural, than you’d normally put with a smart navy jacket. I’d tend towards something a little paler and colder maybe to avoid that – eg my cavalry twill seen here.
Simon, a question regarding panama fitment. Is it a problem if the crown of the hat touches your head? Is this indicative of too loose a fit around the band?
It could be looseness, if the hat is sitting too low on you as a result. But it’s more likely to be the crown just being too low a style for your shape of head
Thank you. I suspect it is the style. Pity, as I like the Lock St Louis Panama. It is loose around the head, but is sitting at the right place an inch above the ears.
https://www.lockhatters.co.uk/men/panamas/st-louis.html
Hi Simon,
Are you satisfied with the 350g Mersolair of these trousers compared to W.bill Fine Irish Linen in terms of fabric performance? Asking because Harissons says Mersolair is “softer” and I’m wondering whether this means inferior fabric performance (wrinkling in a ugly way, drape etc).
No, I wouldn’t go with this material again. They do wrinkle quite a bit, and I’d go with an Irish linen like the W Bill
Thanks that helps a lot,
Have you tried Dugdale’s Lisburn? I’m asking because there’s a specific color I like that’s not available in W.Bill Linen. I’m being a bit pedantic here but since this is my first linen trousers I want to make sure I hit the spot between the colour I want and fabric performance.
Yes, the Lisburn is nice. Also have a look at the Irish weavers that supply all the other merchants, such as Spence Bryson. They have a big range.
More on the linen bunches here.
Wondering if you’ve tried Spence Bryson for trousers and if yes, which range in particular? They have rather confusing ranges and weights.
I haven’t I’m afraid, sorry Nik
No biggie, thanks for the info!
Is there any reason you chose cream, as opposed to a light brown, such as the sand color Stoffa offers in their trousers?
In this combination? I think paler colours are a better match for navy and indigo – the higher contrast helps
Hi Simon, do you prefer Mersolair linen over W Bill linen for separate trousers?
No, generally I prefer W Bill but they’re not that dissimilar, to the extent that I’d be happy with either if I preferred the colour in one
Is it same to wash linen trousers such as the Ambrosi MTM ones shown ?
Correction to typo error.
Word should be safe. .. to wash linen trousers
You mean machine wash Lindsay? No it’s not. You could ruin the interlining, aside from the cloth and hard treatment of hand stitching etc. Keeping tailoring like this clean is about brushing, steaming/pressing, and dry cleaning when you need to. See the videos I did a few years ago with Richard ANderson
That’s great to know.
Many thanks
Lindsay
Hi Simon,
Is this the same Sisal you got at Anderson & Shepppard? This one looks more like a trilby with a shorter/narrower brim than the one in your photos.
https://shop.anderson-sheppard.co.uk/lightweight-sisal-hat
Thank you!
Yes that looks like the same one Mike
Gotcha thank you!
Hi simon
why is cream trouser rather impractical?
thanks
Because it gets dirty easily
It seems that you are not a fan of navy shirts. If yes then can I ask why?
I’m not generally, no. A pale blue shirt is much more flattering generally, and easier to wear. See posts generally on dark shirts for more
That indigo shirt is beautiful.
What cloth is it?
It’s a very old linen one from Canclini – the same one won’t be available now I’m afraid, as they’re changed every few years at least.
Hi Simon. I’m considering buying a hat and wondering do you still get much use out of yours ? I like the A&S sisal from this article and appreciate your point about the colour being more subtle and less conspicuous than classic panamas. It’s also about as much as I’d be keen to spend. I can see myself wearing it on holiday, or occasionally at home. For an only summer hat, do you think this works best, or are classic Panamas classic for a reason ? Thanks as always.
No, I think if you’re going to have a brimmed summer hat, this is a good one to go for. Less traditional and more versatile generally
Would this indigo shirt look good with charcoal grey trousers?
Yes